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Here you can post updates on what you're working on or a notice to others concerned with the development of the wiki. For general discussion see the Community Portal talk and for minor news see the Development Portal main page.

Giving TS4 Headshots Black Background

Is it an idea, that like the TS2 headshots and the TS3 headshots to give all TS4 headshots a black background as well? It might not be necessary, but it gives the wikia a consistent look doesn't it? I'd like to hear your thoughts DeSims ^(talk) 19:59, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Updating {{Pagecover}}

*Blows dust off the Development Portal Talk Page*

So, I have no idea where else I would start a discussion related to this. Here goes!

As I've been working on the new infobox conversion, I've started to wonder whether some of our other wiki templates may benefit from a re-working of their existing code. To that end, I took a copy of Template:Pagecover over to my test wiki and redesigned it so that the base code for the template is located in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, instead of within the template itself (through in-line css). After a couple hours' worth of work, I think I've got the template fully converted. As far as I can tell, it functions exactly the same as the present Pagecover, save for two deliberate and minor changes. However, I can't be totally sure that the template does work in 100% of cases, and as {{Pagecover}} is used on (by my estimate) about 500 pages on the wiki, I wanted to see if anyone else (*cough*Nikel23*cough*) could take a look at the template and css code and see if they could spot any deficiencies or bugs.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the template is fully converted, so the css code for the template's functionality has been added to The Sims Wiki's MediaWiki:Wikia.css page (but not yet added to "MediaWiki:Common.css"). I have also put the new template code at Template:Pagecover/test for further experimentation and tweaks. Any assistance that anyone could lend would be appreciated!

P.S. the two aforementioned "minor changes" from "old" Pagecover to "new" Pagecover are:

There is no "noname" parameter in the "new" design - in the "old" design, this parameter would stop the header and text from displaying on top of the image, allowing a user to use Pagecover as a sort of "large image frame." (see this blog post of mine for a real-world example of this feature in action) In the "new" design, the "name" parameter is no longer mandatory and, if left blank, the header and all text will be kept invisible, even if other text parameters are filled in. This change should not affect the appearance of the template in instances where "noname" is invoked, since it will be a blank parameter with no built-in functionality; additionally, in those cases, "name" already would've been left blank, so the overall effect will be the same either way.
There is no "toc" parameter in the new design. Anecdotally it seems that the table of contents feature in "old" pagecover is very rarely used, so it seems pointless to include it in the new design.

Thanks -- LostInRiverview^{talk · blog · contribs} 08:09, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

Families from...

I personally think that the Families from categories (ie this category) should be renamed into "Households from <game> <pack>". Since there are households that aren't blood related, such as the Roomies household and the BFF household. Other categories including families should also be replaced. Also, they're just officially known as households vs. families. Maybe separate categories could work too.

Sorry if this is in the wrong place btw, I'm not really familiar with this wiki. --akumi (talk) 16:26, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

That's not a bad suggestion. Unfortunately, it's not simply as easy as renaming a few pages. Categories, unlike articles and templates, cannot be renamed once they are created. In order to do as you've suggested, we'd have to create brand new category pages and then delete the old ones. Even then, this still is not an insurmountable obstacle. What would be difficult, however, would be the second part of your suggestion; splitting categories. Right now, the template {{Infobox family}} auto-categorizes family/household pages, but there is no mechanism built into the template as of now to differentiate between a family and a household. It is possible to create such a thing, but I'd wonder whether the end result is worth the effort. -- LostInRiverview^{talk · blog · contribs} 16:31, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, that's fair. --akumi (talk) 18:49, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

TS4 neighborhood categorizing bug

For awhile now, we've had an issue where TS4 neighborhood pages (not world pages, but the pages about the neighborhoods within the worlds) were getting categorized into Category:Neighborhoods in, which is a glitch category. I am happy to say that, with a single exception, that is no longer a problem and all TS4 neighborhood pages should now be automatically categorizing properly.

The issue was in the way that {{Infobox neighborhood}} assigned categories. The infobox would take the input name of the neighborhood, and cross-check it against {{Checkgame}}; the purpose of that template is to simply say which base game a particular world/neighborhood belongs to. The problem is that Checkgame only included the TS4 worlds, but did not include the TS4 neighborhoods. When I thought about it a bit, I realized that having a template to check which game a neighborhood/world appears in is unnecessary. So I reworked Infobox Neighborhood so that it looks for the game parameter instead of the neighborhood's name, and then checks to see if the game is on the {{MGL}}. The MGL outputs a code for the base game, even if the name that is input is an expansion/game/stuff pack, and then I plug that output into {{Vgcode}} to spit out the full name of the base game. I did it this way because our current operating principle has been to categorize all neighborhoods/worlds within a given game together, even if some were introduced in expansions (for instance, we don't have a category Category:Neighborhoods in The Sims 2: Seasons, even though that expansion introduced Riverblossom Hills).

The end result of all these workings is that neighborhood pages for TS4 no longer need to be manually categorized into "Category:Neighborhoods from The Sims 4" or "Category:<world> neighborhoods"; the template will do both automatically. When I get a chance, I'll take a look at {{Infobox world}} as well and try to prevent similar problems on that front. My goal is to make it so that {{Checkgame}} isn't used on any templates and can be deleted.

I tested the changes out before I implemented them. While I cannot see any errors in what I've done at this point, if you encounter any problems with the change, please let me know so I can address it. -- LostInRiverview^{talk · blog · contribs} 04:25, June 16, 2019 (UTC)

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+{{Archive navigation|[[The Sims Wiki talk:Development Portal/Archive 1|1]] [[The Sims Wiki talk:Development Portal/Archive 2|2]] [[The Sims Wiki talk:Development Portal/Archive 3|3]] [[The Sims Wiki talk:Development Portal/Archive 4|4]]}}
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 {{info|Information|Here you can post updates on what you're working on or a notice to others concerned with the development of the wiki. For general discussion see the [[The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal|Community Portal talk]] and for minor news see the [[The Sims Wiki:Development Portal|Development Portal main page]].}}
+== Giving TS4 Headshots Black Background ==
-==[[MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation]] error==
-I want to add [[Blog:The Sim's Pen]] to the navigation under blog posts button, but the editor doesn't allow me. It says the level 1 menu is too wide. It's odd, because it will say so even if you preview it without making any changes. Sooner or later if we need to edit the navigation, we need to shorten the level 1 menu name as well. I tried to change "Interact" into "aaa" and the editor allowed me. Any ideas which menus to shorten? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:46, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
+Is it an idea, that like the TS2 headshots and the TS3 headshots to give all TS4 headshots a black background as well? It might not be necessary, but it gives the wikia a consistent look doesn't it? I'd like to hear your thoughts [[User:DeSims|<b><span style="font-family:AR Bonnie"><span style="color:#00ac35"><span style="font-size:23px">D</span>e</span><span style="font-size:19px"><span style="color:#0075ac"><span style="font-size:23px">S</span><span style="font-size:19px">ims</span></span></span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:DeSims|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#0075ac"><sup><small>(talk)</small></sup></span></span>]] 19:59, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
-:I'm getting the glitch on my other wiki too, which is strange, because it fits just fine. Looks like Wikia broke something here. [[Special:Contact]] it, maybe? --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 14:47, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
+==Updating {{t|Pagecover}}==
-::Well, the error tells us to go to [[w:c:community:Help:Navigation]]. The "error" seems intended, meaning it's more like they changed the limit (while keeping the preexisting navigations intact so they won't be broken). [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:03, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Asterisk}}''Blows dust off the Development Portal Talk Page''{{Asterisk}}
+So, I have no idea where else I would start a discussion related to this. Here goes!
-:::Hmm, it seems like the error has been fixed. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 14:03, September 19, 2014 (UTC)
-:::...only to be broken again! What's going on here, Wikia? --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 14:28, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
+As I've been working on the [[Forum:New infobox design|new infobox conversion]], I've started to wonder whether some of our other wiki templates may benefit from a re-working of their existing code. To that end, I took a copy of [[Template:Pagecover]] over to [[w:c:lir-test|my test wiki]] and redesigned it so that the base code for the template is located in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, instead of within the template itself (through in-line css). After a couple hours' worth of work, I think I've got the template fully converted. As far as I can tell, it functions exactly the same as the present Pagecover, save for two deliberate and minor changes. However, I can't be ''totally sure'' that the template does work in 100% of cases, and as {{t|Pagecover}} is used on (by my estimate) about 500 pages on the wiki, I wanted to see if anyone else (''*cough*[[User:Nikel23|Nikel23]]*cough*'') could take a look at the template and css code and see if they could spot any deficiencies or bugs.
-::::Okay, I have [[w:Thread:734913|reported the issue]] at Community Central. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 21:38, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
+Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the template is fully converted, so the css code for the template's functionality has been added to The Sims Wiki's [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]] page (but not yet added to "[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]"). I have also put the new template code at [[Template:Pagecover/test]] for further experimentation and tweaks. Any assistance that anyone could lend would be appreciated!
-:::::Alright, there are two solutions to this that I have tried on my test wiki and has worked.
-:::::#[[Help:Rename|Move]] the page [[MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation]] to another title, make your changes, and then move it back. This, however, will break the navigation bar while the original navigation page is a redirect, but it works.
-:::::#Copy and paste the following code into your [[Special:MyPage/wikia.css|user CSS file]]:
-<pre>
-/* Special thanks to User:452 for this! Original taken from http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:452/global.css?diff=prev&oldid=1343313 */
-/* This thing fixes the broken width check in MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation */
-.ArticlePreviewInner .WikiHeader li.nav-item a {
-  /* Because the width check is broken. */
-  margin: 0;
-  padding: 0;
-}
-</pre>
-::::::This code works by reducing the width of the tabs in the preview window. It looks horribly squished while previewing, but it will fool the check into thinking that it's of the right size and will let you publish the edit. Just be careful! This could potentially allow you to save an invalid layout into the page, which can result in unpredictable results! It's best to test your changes on a test wiki to make sure nothing is out-of-place or broken before you save it on a real wiki.
-::::::You can also put this in your global CSS file so it loads on all wikis, which is useful if you're an admin on other wikis. See [[Help:JavaScript and CSS Cheatsheet]] for details. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 01:59, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
-:::::::The issue only appears to occur when using Google Chrome 37... other browsers and older versions seem to work without the fix above. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:58, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
+P.S. the two aforementioned "minor changes" from "old" Pagecover to "new" Pagecover are:
-{{od|:::::::}}Sorry I was a little late to follow this up. Nice workaround! Thank you for reporting and finding a workaround for this issue, k6ka. :) [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:54, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
+* There is no "''noname''" parameter in the "new" design - in the "old" design, this parameter would stop the header and text from displaying on top of the image, allowing a user to use Pagecover as a sort of "large image frame." (see [[User blog:LostInRiverview/Apartments in The Sims 4: City Living|this blog post of mine]] for a real-world example of this feature in action) In the "new" design, the "''name''" parameter is no longer mandatory and, if left blank, the header and all text will be kept invisible, even if other text parameters are filled in. This change should not affect the appearance of the template in instances where "''noname''" is invoked, since it will be a blank parameter with no built-in functionality; additionally, in those cases, "''name''" already would've been left blank, so the overall effect will be the same either way.
+* There is no "''toc''" parameter in the new design. Anecdotally it seems that the table of contents feature in "old" pagecover is very rarely used, so it seems pointless to include it in the new design.
+Thanks -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 08:09, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
-== Introducing {{t|Edit conflict}} ==
+== Families from... ==
-Sick of running into [[Help:Edit conflict|edit conflicts]] while editing a talk page? Are people starting to think that you're an ignorant pig for not reading the comments right above yours?
+I personally think that the Families from categories (ie [[:Category:Families from The Sims 4 (base game)|this category]]) should be renamed into "Households from <nowiki><game> <pack></nowiki>". Since there are households that aren't blood related, such as the [[Roomies household (Sunset Valley)|Roomies household]] and the [[BFF household]]. Other categories including families should also be replaced. Also, they're just officially known as households vs. families. Maybe separate categories could work too.
-If we could develop a magical extension that automatically resolved talk page edit conflicts, that would be wonderful. But we obviously can't do that -- talk pages are essentially the exact same as any other page. Really.
+Sorry if this is in the wrong place btw, I'm not really familiar with this wiki. --<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">'''akumi'''</span>]] [[User talk:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 16:26, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
-So here's another solution. If you ran into an edit conflict while editing a talk page, you can defend yourself against "Y U NO READ MY POSTS??!!" comments by adding {{t|Edit conflict}} in front of your comments. For example:
+:That's not a bad suggestion. Unfortunately, it's not simply as easy as renaming a few pages. Categories, unlike articles and templates, cannot be renamed once they are created. In order to do as you've suggested, we'd have to create brand new category pages and then delete the old ones. Even then, this still is not an insurmountable obstacle. What ''would'' be difficult, however, would be the second part of your suggestion; splitting categories. Right now, the template {{t|Infobox family}} auto-categorizes family/household pages, but there is no mechanism built into the template as of now to differentiate between a family and a household. It is possible to create such a thing, but I'd wonder whether the end result is worth the effort. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 16:31, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
-<pre>
-I'm not sure if this is the correct way to do it... --User 1
-:Oh for sure, it is! --User 2
-</pre>
+::Hmm, that's fair. --<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">'''akumi'''</span>]] [[User talk:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 18:49, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
-Let's say you were typing a response right underneath User 2's comment. As soon as you click "Publish" you are told that there was an edit conflict. The current page looks like this:
+==TS4 neighborhood categorizing bug==
-<pre>
+For awhile now, we've had an issue where TS4 neighborhood pages (not ''world'' pages, but the pages about the neighborhoods within the worlds) were getting categorized into [[:Category:Neighborhoods in]], which is a glitch category. I am happy to say that, with a single exception, that is no longer a problem and all TS4 neighborhood pages should now be automatically categorizing properly.
-I'm not sure if this is the correct way to do it... --User 1
-:Oh for sure, it is! --User 2
-::If you read the manuals at MediaWiki.org, you'll see it's correct. --User 3
-</pre>
+The issue was in the way that {{t|Infobox neighborhood}} assigned categories. The infobox would take the input name of the neighborhood, and cross-check it against {{t|Checkgame}}; the purpose of that template is to simply say which base game a particular world/neighborhood belongs to. The problem is that Checkgame only included the TS4 worlds, but did not include the TS4 neighborhoods. When I thought about it a bit, I realized that having a template to check which game a neighborhood/world appears in is unnecessary. So I reworked Infobox Neighborhood so that it looks for the game parameter instead of the neighborhood's name, and then checks to see if the game is on the {{t|MGL}}. The MGL outputs a code for the base game, even if the name that is input is an expansion/game/stuff pack, and then I plug that output into {{t|Vgcode}} to spit out the full name of the base game. I did it this way because our current operating principle has been to categorize all neighborhoods/worlds within a given game together, even if some were introduced in expansions (for instance, we don't have a category [[:Category:Neighborhoods in The Sims 2: Seasons]], even though that expansion introduced [[Riverblossom Hills]]).
-You would normally go to the bottom of the page, copy your changes, and then paste them under User 3's comment. With the new template, however, you can now easily tell the world that there was an edit conflict and that there is no need for finger-pointing if your comment is the same as User 3, or if it tries using an argument that User 3 had just knocked down.
+The end result of all these workings is that neighborhood pages for TS4 no longer need to be manually categorized into "Category:Neighborhoods from The Sims 4" or "Category:<world> neighborhoods"; the template will do both automatically. When I get a chance, I'll take a look at {{t|Infobox world}} as well and try to prevent similar problems on that front. My goal is to make it so that {{t|Checkgame}} isn't used on any templates and can be deleted.
-<pre>
-I'm not sure if this is the correct way to do it... --User 1
-:Oh for sure, it is! --User 2
-::If you read the manuals at MediaWiki.org, you'll see it's correct. --User 3
-::{{edit conflict}} According to the MediaWiki.org manuals, yes, this is how you do it. --You
-</pre>
+I tested the changes out before I implemented them. While I cannot see any errors in what I've done at this point, if you encounter any problems with the change, please let me know so I can address it. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:25, June 16, 2019 (UTC)
-Which comes out as:
-I'm not sure if this is the correct way to do it... --User 1
-:Oh for sure, it is! --User 2
-::If you read the manuals at MediaWiki.org, you'll see it's correct. --User 3
-::{{edit conflict}} According to the MediaWiki.org manuals, yes, this is how you do it. --You
-If you have experienced multiple edit conflicts you can also add an optional parameter to the template that indicates how many edit conflicts you endured. For example, if you encountered three edit conflicts, you can add <code><nowiki>{{edit conflict|3}}</nowiki></code> to show for it, which comes out as:
-{{edit conflict|3}}
-You can also use the shortcut template - {{t|Ec}}, which does the exact same thing.
-Have fun! --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 15:01, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
-:This is a good concept, although I don't encounter edit conflicts that often. And even if I did, I would change some things in my post. u.u [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:19, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
-==Category:Families / Sims by neighborhood and world==
-While we've had resolved the issue to distinguish world from neighborhood by terminology, there's one thing I have in mind. Categorization has organizing purposes, and I believe that having two distinct categories, i.e. [[:Category:Sims by neighborhood]] and [[:Category:Sims by world]], is redundant. We know how worlds and neighborhoods work differently, but we also know that these two are essentially the places where lots, in which Sims live, are situated. This means that worlds and (non-TS4-wise) neighborhoods are actually on the same level. Hence, I propose that these categories to be merged just for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 08:35, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
-:'''ETA''': Other things that regard worlds and neighborhoods remain unaffected. I only want to discuss about these two (three, with [[:Category:Families by neighborhood]]) in particular. Categories like [[:Category:Worlds]] and [[:Category:Neighborhoods]] should stay that way, I suppose. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 08:36, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
-::I'm changing my mind. Now I'm starting to think that distinguishing worlds and neighborhoods in the category seems pointless and convoluted. They're deemed to be distinct in the main content, but I don't think it's very important to do that in categories. Therefore, I propose that we just combine the "Category:X by world" into "Category:X by neighborhood" for simplicity. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:24, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
-==Fixing a link==
-''Moved from [[The Sims Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard]]''
-----
-I've been struggling to figure out how to fix the career parameter for [[Tiffany Burb]]. It's supposed to be categorized under fashion, but instead it's categorized under "Sims who work in the career". Also there is no link to "fashion" in the career parameter. It simply says "<nowiki>[[|Department Store Clerk]]</nowiki>", but without a link.
-I've been trying to resolve the issue by myself, but I just can't locate the cause of the issue. And I can't find any template documents that may appear broken. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 03:58, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-:It appears that this problem has been solved. For some reason, fashion wasn't included on the list of careers in [[Template:GetCareerCat]] and [[Template:GetCareerLink]]. We're missing an in-game icon for the fashion career from TS1, but if someone can find one and upload it, it should be added to [[Template:GetCareerImage]]. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:22, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-::Additionally, it's worth noting that the Sim/Simbio templates are among the most complex templates on the wiki. All of them ultimately are based off {{t|Sim}} which in addition to being a massive and complicated template in its own right, has dozens of secondary/auxiliary templates that feed into it. The best course of action in these cases is to determine what the issue is, and to find where in {{t|Sim}} the problem may originate. Most of the time if there's an issue in the bio template, it's an issue in {{t|Sim}} itself or one of its auxiliary templates. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:25, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-:::@ LiR:Post1 - Oh, okay. I certainly would never have found that link by myself, without being tipped off first. As for the missing in-game icon, I guess we'll just have to wait until someone who owns [[The Sims: Unleashed]] uploads an icon.
-:::@ LiR:Post2 - Well that explains it. While I do know how the Sim/Simbio templates, they are proven to be really massive compared to the other templates I use/edit. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 04:29, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-::::I have ''The Sims: Complete Collection'' but I have no idea how to extract the information from the files... not to mention the icons. I've tried several tools with no luck. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:54, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-:::::Same here. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 17:51, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-::::::The only way I can think of extracting the icons is to go in-game, take screenshots of them, and then process it. The game files themselves are not well documented by modders and there is no "Sim1PE", or at least none that is free. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 19:28, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-==Static headings==
-As part of the [[Forum:Halloween Logo|Halloween theme]], we changed div.headingblue and div.headinggreen in the wiki's css page so that the headings would be purple and orange, respectively. While this solution is simple and effective most of the time, there are a few instances in which we would want to continue using the standard blue and green headings even if we implement a new temporary theme. So, I've added div.headingbluestatic and div.headinggreenstatic to the css page. If there is some need to use a blue or green header, and you wish to ensure that the header remains blue or green even if the wiki temporarily changes theme, you can use the static versions of the headings. This is useful on, for example, our new user welcome messages, since those messages are substituted and the colors chosen will never change once they're added.
--- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 19:26, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
-==Eliminating Simbio==
-This is something that has been brought up several times in the past, but I'd like to start a discussion specifically about this topic. Right now on the wiki, we have two "biography infobox" templates for each game - the "Sim" and "Simbio" templates. For example, for ''The Sims 3'', we have {{t|Simbio3}} and {{t|Sim3}}.
-In [[Forum:Organization for TS4 timeline]], a particular issue with the Simbio system is mentioned, specifically regarding {{t|Simbio-start}}. Simbio-start lists a Sim's name and significant familial relationships. The problem arises when a Sim has a different name or different relationships between games; which information, if any, should Simbio-start display? Take for example [[Bella Goth]]. Her Simbio-start lists her name as Bella Goth, even though her name is Bella Bachelor in ''The Sims 3''. It lists her marital status as "married" even though she is not married in ''The Sims 3''. It lists her children as Cassandra and Alexander, even though she has no children in ''The Sims 3'' and only Cassandra as a child in ''The Sims''. Ultimately, it would make more sense to include this information on each Sim template.
-On top of this, when you start looking at it more in-depth, it becomes obvious that Simbio-start is redundant; everything that the template does is already done by the Sim templates. Another item of note is {{t|Simbio-end}}. At one time, Simbio-end included links to player stories and player theories pages. But, those pages no longer exist or are deleted, so Simbio-end no longer serves any meaningful purpose.
-Phasing out Simbio would not be difficult to do, since Simbio is actually based on the Sim template. It would only be a matter of moving the information from simbio-start onto the other Sim templates, and changing the template used on the pages (a task which could be handled by a bot). No syntax would need to be changed, to my knowledge, and no changes would need to be made to the Sim templates. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 17:49, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
-:I'm aware of the problem where the information stored in {{T|Simbio-start}} may be inconsistent with the rest of the series and it uses the latest of the "main timeline" of the series, i.e. ''The Sims 2'' and ''The Sims 3 Store'' worlds, but the problem gets even worse with ''The Sims 4''. This is also apparent in [[Ruby Broke]], the sister or Skip Broke. It's said that Skip and their parents are deceased, but that's following to the series in TS2, even though they're very much alive in TS3, and she's not even present in TS2.
-:For that reason... I would actually support this change. But before that, do you think any change is needed for {{T|Familybio-start}}? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 03:08, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
-::Overall I support this change, but I did initially have a few concerns about it.
-:* Will this mean, that we'll be seeing a huge surge of edits in the process?
-:* Will fanon writers have to edit their fanon Sim info-boxes during this change?
-::If the answers to those questions are yes, then I might initially have opposed this change. But then I re-read LiR's message about the task being handled by a bot. And I also decided "Maybe it would be best if I just supported this change, assumed good faith (as I always claim to do), and trusted that the "highly experienced" editor responsible for making this proposal - in this case LiR - knew what they were doing, and doing it for the benefits of the community. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 04:42, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
-:::Assume Good Faith is an assumption that another person is contributing positively. AGF doesn't require you to assume that they are correct or that their ideas are any more valid than yours just because they've more experienced. You are totally free to agree or disagree with me or others for whatever reason(s) you want.
-:::As for the handling of the task and other incidental issues... Changing Simbio to Sim could be handled by a bot, or it could be a gradual process. For starters, We can look into simply keeping the Simbio templates as redirects to their corresponding Sim templates, until the template links can be corrected. The same is true for Fanon pages. It's worth noting that the syntax for Simbio and Sim are nearly identical (in fact, all Simbio templates already use the base {{t|Sim}} template, and have for some time). The task of moving information from Simbio-start to the Sim templates would be a manual process, but we don't necessarily need to be in a rush to change everything and delete Simbio-start. Regarding Familybio... the idea had not actually occurred to me, but since family pages may encounter the same issues as Sim pages, deleting the Familybio and Familybio-start templates (after a transition period) would make sense as well. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 05:28, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
-::::Well yes. I assumed that you were contributing positively as usual, and I didn't think your ideas were any more valid than mine for any reasons. I can't really tell what most of the reasons are except that I assume that this proposal is correct.
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-::::P.S. I actually do know what assume good faith means. It is when one person assumes that another is contributing positively, whether or not they believe that person's contributions are correct. I'm just not the best at proving that I understand. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:31, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
-:::::We could opt to put Familybio at the 2nd priority while handling the Simbio issue first. It's better to focus on one thing before taking care of another. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:17, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
-==wikitable heading-blue==
-These two table classes, ''wikitable'' and ''plaintable'' (aside from ''prettytable''), are commonly used in this wiki. They're pretty much alike:
-{{col-begin}}
-{{col-2}}
-<center>
-{|class="wikitable heading-blue" width=50%
-|+class="wikitable heading-blue" table
-|-
-!Header !! Header
-|-
-|Text || Text
-|}
-</center>
-{{col-2}}
-<center>
-{|class="plaintable heading-blue" width=50%
-|+class="plaintable heading-blue" table
-|-
-!Header !! Header
-|-
-|Text || Text
-|}
-</center>
-{{col-end}}
-Both tables use ''heading-blue'' class to make the headers blue. At some point, ''heading-blue'' no longer worked on ''wikitable'' class. This issue had lingered for years. I'm still unsure what's wrong, but my guess is that wikia's own ''wikitable'' settings succeed some elements this wiki's ''wikitable'' customization in [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]]. Some elements are like background-color and padding.
-So anyway, I figured that by adding
-<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
-table.wikitable > tr > th, table.wikitable > * > tr > th {
-   background: #BFD7FF;
-   text-align: center;
-   font-size: small;
-}
-</syntaxhighlight>
-to the css, it will change the header background to blue. It still doesn't fix the issue where ''heading-blue'' doesn't work on ''wikitable'', and this will change all tables using ''wikitable'' class into blue header. I personally never like the gray header, but what do others think? Should we add this to the css? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:26, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
-:Funnily enough I brought this up on IRC a week or two ago and I tried to code something to fix it but I never got around to finishing it. I'm curious to see what the tables would look like with green (specifically, I think I was testing with <code><font color=#CCFFCC>
-#CCFFCC</font></code>) in the header instead of blue given the prevalence of green in the wiki's theme, however. As for implementing it feel free to do so given that this is better than the broken version you're saying we have now. {{WHsig|22:48, November 16, 2014 (UTC)}}
-::Alright, I've added the lines to the css. If there's any issues regarding this, please report here.
-[[File:Wikitable green header.png|center]]
-::This is what the green header looks like. I'm feeling indifferent about this. I'm content with the current blue header, but if we are to change the header theme to green, that's fine for me too. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 04:44, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
-:::Maybe it's early in the morning, but it took me a while to distinguish the table on the left from the right. The green's not very visible. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 11:49, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
-==Emphasized section headers==
-I'd like to propose to emphasize level 3 section headers and higher a bit. I feel like these section headers are a little too plain. If you read [[townie]] page, it uses a lot of level 3 and level 4 section headers. These headers are just slightly larger than normal text, and it's a little difficult to distinguish them from regular text. I think we could give them a line border like level 2 section header, or perhaps make them bold?
-The result of giving them line border will make them look like Wikipedia section headers, if one wonders. It kinda helps to know where a section ends. What do you think? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 05:26, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
-== MediaWiki Emoticons ==
-Apparently the D:< emoticon doesn't work properly in chat. It should come out as [[File:Moodlet icon smiley angry.png|25px]] but instead it comes out as [[File:Moodlet no frame crying baby.png|25px]]<
--- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 00:15, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
-:Hmm, you're right. Apparently you can't make an emoticon as a superset of another emoticon. I guess it's just a technical limitation. We can change the code for the angry emoticon. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 06:45, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
-==Category placement on templates==
-We recently worked on cleaning up [[:Category:Templates]], and much of this work involved re-categorizing templates. I noticed that there is no clear standard regarding where the templates' categories should be placed. Some templates have the categories in 'noinclude' tags on the template itself, while other templates had their categories inside 'includeonly' tags on the template's documentation page. I noticed on at least one occasion, categories were included in both places, meaning I had to edit both the template and template documentation pages to find them. I think it would make sense to adopt a standard and implement it wiki-wide, to avoid future issues or confusion. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 00:12, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
-:There's an issue with Wikia in that categories placed on the template documentation page seem to correctly add the template to the category, but the template doesn't appear on the category page itself. Putting the category in noinclude tags on the template page itself seems to fix the problem. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 01:13, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
-::Try clearing the cache. I've also noticed that performing a null edit on the template page after updating the template documentation will solve this problem. In any case, I'd chalk it up to the fact that adding the category to the template documentation adds an extra step to the process, so it takes a little time for the whole database to update itself. Take for example [[Template:SkillTable]], which is categorized in [[:Category:Simology templates]], with the category included on the template's documentation page. It may not have appeared in the category immediately, but if you look now, it should appear. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:40, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
-::'''Edit''': [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Purge#Null_edit Wikipedia explains this phenomenon as well] - "All other purge methods do not apply to categorisation and 'what links here' changes from template edits, but a null edit does... Changes in category links are put into the job queue, and re-cached when the server load is low." -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:43, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
-:::I tried all of those — purging and null editing. Didn't work. I did [[w:Thread:726136|file a bug report]] and they told me they were working on a fix, but I still see that same glitch pop up occasionally. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 02:52, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
-==Adding TS4 age logos to TS4 Sim infoboxes==
-Because TS4 uses different logos in its interface to the other three games, I was wondering if we could add a function to the code of [[Template:Sim]] in order for the pulling of TS4 age images into the template and onto the page. I have already uploaded the appropriate images:
-[[File:TS4-Child.png|20px]]
-[[File:TS4-Teen.png|20px]]
-[[File:TS4-Young-Adult.png|20px]]
-[[File:TS4-Adult.png|20px]]
-[[File:TS4-Elder.png|20px]]
-This could possibly be a another great way to 'modernise' the wiki. I also have a proposal as to how we could achieve this.
-We could add a template named, say, Template:GetTS4StageImage, using the same code as [[Template:GetStageImage]], except with the TS4 images. Thereafter, we could put in the following code into [[Template:Sim]]:
-<code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{age<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} |</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-{{!}} width="75" style="background: {{Vgbodycolor|{{Vgcode|{{{game}}} }} }}; border-bottom:{{Vglinecolor|{{Vgcode|{{{game}}} }} }} 1px solid; color: #4B4B4B"{{!}}'''Age'''</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-{{!}} style="background: #FFFFFF; border-bottom:{{Vglinecolor|{{Vgcode|{{{game}}} }} }} 1px solid;" </nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-{{!}}{{#if:{{{age|}}}|
-</nowiki>'''<nowiki>{{#switch: {{{game}}}</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-|The Sims 4</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-|The Sims 4 Outdoor Retreat</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-|The Sims 4 Get To Work = {{GetTS4StageImage|{{{age}}} }}</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-|#default = {{GetStageImage|{{{age}}} }} }} }}</nowiki>'''<nowiki> {{{age}}}</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-<includeonly>{{GetStageCat|{{{age}}}}}</includeonly></nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-{{!}}-</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
-}}</nowiki></code>
-The only disadvantage would be that there appears to be no logo for TS4 Babies, so I'm not entirely sure how to deal with that, should this plan get through...not that there are many noteworthy things about TS4 babies anyway.
-I haven't tested it yet though, so I hope all you code-monkeys out there can help me iron out the code so it works! &#8213;'''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[Message Wall:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([http://historyfiction.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Infinite Histories] • [http://galactic-crucibles.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Galactic Crucibles] • [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 The Sims Wiki] • [http://hallows-maleficent.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Hallows Maleficent] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Why I'm here in the first place</font>]])'''</sup> 08:32, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
-:If we were to size the images down the amount which would be necessary for them not to expand the template they'd be hardly recognisable and would contrast a fair bit with the white background. For reference:
-[[File:TS4-Adult.png|20px]] [[File:TS3-Adult.png|20px]]
-:These are both sized at 20px too but the TS4 one looks huge so we'd need to scale it down a bit. I think I prefer it how it is but if you can get a demo up and running you might be able to change my mind but I'd appreciate it if you kept in mind the things I said. As for the code, I'm not even going to pretend I understand that but it doesn't look like you forgot to close any templates or anything extremely obvious. {{WHsig|10:26, March 31, 2015 (UTC)}}
-::Actually, it's 20x40px for TS4 icon, which is why it's taller. If it's set to <nowiki>[[File:TS4-Adult.png|x20px]]</nowiki>, it should be at the correct height:
-[[File:TS4-Adult.png|x20px]][[File:TS3-Adult.png|20px]]
-::But still, it's way too small and narrow and not contrast compared to TS3 icon. Another thing is that TS4 lacks several life stages. Just for future references if somehow we want different series to display different icons, I suggest we use {{T|Vgseries}} as a built-in switch parser function. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:36, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
-== Template:GetCodCat ==
-Is it just me or the "death from kite" is not listed on the deaths on the [[Template:GetCodCat/doc|GetCodCat/doc]] template?
-I'm also confused by the "coffin scare" bit of the template, because I've never heard of that death type. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 08:30, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-:Apparently it categorises as the same type of death as "fright". But isn't that redundant? And death by "fright" is a Sims 2 base game death, so why is it listed as a Nightlife death under "coffin scare"? -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 08:46, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-::According to the information found [[Death|here]], there is such a death type. Is that true? I thought there were only 19 different death types in [[The Sims 2]] (if you count dying from a death token, as a death type). -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 09:04, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-:::It's a real death and distinct from the regular fright death. Read more [http://cyjon.net/node/268 here]. Cyjon made a detailed explanation there. Though death by kite is not a unique death, I'm unsure what death it belongs to. I already forgot. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:59, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-::::I'm not sure I fully understand the "I'm unsure what death it belongs to" bit. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 12:01, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::I meant that if it's not a unique death, then it should be considered an existing death, right? The game might think it's a death by electrocution or lightning instead. But I'm unsure about lightning, since kite is in OFB while death by lightning is in Seasons. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:03, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-::::::Kites attracts lightning only in a lightning storm. So it's a Seasons death. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 12:23, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::::I thought the original OFB evil kite attracted lightning, even without ''Seasons''? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:47, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-::::::::Really? Hmm, well, since Cyjon says it isn't a unique death, I'm guessing it might be death by electrocution. But I'd have to uninstall Seasons to find out, and I'm in no mood to uninstall EPs anytime soon. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 14:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
-{{od|:::::::::}}This is what Prima guide said about the evil kite:
-<blockquote class="note">The evil version of the kite is metallic with red eyes. It flies but attracts lightning, resulting in electrocution and, possibly, death.</blockquote>
-[[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 03:06, April 17, 2015 (UTC)