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== Giving TS4 Headshots Black Background ==
==[[Special:UnusedFiles]] is being faulty==
 
It has been a while that I noticed [[Special:UnusedFiles]] has been listing images that are actually used ''somewhere'' in this wiki erroneously. I've noticed this for long, and I thought it would fix itself some time in the future, but no. It hasn't been fixed and it's still being faulty. For example, this file [[:File:CamrynMcGaw.png]] is said to be unused, while it really is used on [[Camryn McGaw]]. Even the file page says it's not used anywhere in this wiki. If you try to clean up the unused files in that page, please be careful with this, as you might accidentally delete used images. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 09:59, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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Is it an idea, that like the TS2 headshots and the TS3 headshots to give all TS4 headshots a black background as well? It might not be necessary, but it gives the wikia a consistent look doesn't it? I'd like to hear your thoughts [[User:DeSims|<b><span style="font-family:AR Bonnie"><span style="color:#00ac35"><span style="font-size:23px">D</span>e</span><span style="font-size:19px"><span style="color:#0075ac"><span style="font-size:23px">S</span><span style="font-size:19px">ims</span></span></span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:DeSims|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#0075ac"><sup><small>(talk)</small></sup></span></span>]] 19:59, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
:I've had (and as I last checked, currently having) this problem on my [http://tlaststand.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles other wiki]. I emailed Wikia and was informed that "A server might've lagged behind". Though when I got the response the page had already updated, so the issue wasn't investigated any further. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just checked [[Special:UnusedFiles]] and it was updated not too long ago. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:09, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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==Updating {{t|Pagecover}}==
::It was updated not too long ago, but the issue is still there. There are still many used images that are listed unused, even if the pages that use them are never touched. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:35, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
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{{Asterisk}}''Blows dust off the Development Portal Talk Page''{{Asterisk}}
   
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So, I have no idea where else I would start a discussion related to this. Here goes!
==Trait categories and pages for TS4 vs TS3 traits==
 
A couple weeks ago [[Trait (The Sims 4)]] was created. It only makes sense that we would have separate articles for traits in the major releases, so my issue isn't with the creation of that page. However, I renamed ''Trait'' to [[Trait (The Sims 3)]], since the content of that page deals almost exclusively with TS3 traits. I have since been having [[User:LiRBot|LiRBot]] fix a lot of the redirect/bad links left over from the page move, after which I intend to re-write ''Trait'' to be a generic article not focused on traits in one particular game.
 
   
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As I've been working on the [[Forum:New infobox design|new infobox conversion]], I've started to wonder whether some of our other wiki templates may benefit from a re-working of their existing code. To that end, I took a copy of [[Template:Pagecover]] over to [[w:c:lir-test|my test wiki]] and redesigned it so that the base code for the template is located in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, instead of within the template itself (through in-line css). After a couple hours' worth of work, I think I've got the template fully converted. As far as I can tell, it functions exactly the same as the present Pagecover, save for two deliberate and minor changes. However, I can't be ''totally sure'' that the template does work in 100% of cases, and as {{t|Pagecover}} is used on (by my estimate) about 500 pages on the wiki, I wanted to see if anyone else (''*cough*[[User:Nikel23|Nikel23]]*cough*'') could take a look at the template and css code and see if they could spot any deficiencies or bugs.
My question is, are we going to have separate categories for traits in TS3 vs TS4? For instance, [[Hopeless Romantic]] is (IIRC) a trait that will appear in ''TS4''. So, do we create a new page for Hopeless Romantic (named ''Hopeless Romantic (The Sims 4)'') and a new category for Sims who are Hopeless Romantics in TS4? Or, do we use the same pages and categories for both? - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:01, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the template is fully converted, so the css code for the template's functionality has been added to The Sims Wiki's [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]] page (but not yet added to "[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]"). I have also put the new template code at [[Template:Pagecover/test]] for further experimentation and tweaks. Any assistance that anyone could lend would be appreciated!
:For categories, I think it's okay if we combine both games. Many games share the same categories, like zodiac sign and appearances. [[:Category:Sims by job|Careers]] are a good example for this, since many careers in different games have similar names, are described differently, but share the same categories. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:39, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::Ok, that sounds alright. But what about the trait pages themselves? Taking the example of careers, we tend to keep careers from different games on the same page if they have the same name. So, would we continue to do this with TS4 traits that duplicate TS3 traits? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 15:43, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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P.S. the two aforementioned "minor changes" from "old" Pagecover to "new" Pagecover are:
:::I'm not quite sure. Every TS3 trait page is pretty much individual, and has consistent layout. Combining it with TS4 trait seems like it will mess up the layout (some trait pages are for TS3, some for TS4, and some for both). Personally, just for the sake of the consistent layout, I'd rather separate the trait pages. It's not really a strong reason though, as it's just a personal preference. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 16:10, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
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* There is no "''noname''" parameter in the "new" design - in the "old" design, this parameter would stop the header and text from displaying on top of the image, allowing a user to use Pagecover as a sort of "large image frame." (see [[User blog:LostInRiverview/Apartments in The Sims 4: City Living|this blog post of mine]] for a real-world example of this feature in action) In the "new" design, the "''name''" parameter is no longer mandatory and, if left blank, the header and all text will be kept invisible, even if other text parameters are filled in. This change should not affect the appearance of the template in instances where "''noname''" is invoked, since it will be a blank parameter with no built-in functionality; additionally, in those cases, "''name''" already would've been left blank, so the overall effect will be the same either way.
::::If we take that approach, we'll have to rename all the pages with traits whose names are shared. So if Hopeless Romantic is a trait in TS4, we'll have a page named ''Hopeless Romantic (The Sims 3)'' and ''Hopeless Romantic (The Sims 4)''. So there will be a bit of work involved in making the pages separate. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 19:08, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
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* There is no "''toc''" parameter in the new design. Anecdotally it seems that the table of contents feature in "old" pagecover is very rarely used, so it seems pointless to include it in the new design.
:::::Also, if we go that route, wouldn't we have to create a new navigation template for TS4 traits? That would mean renaming {{t|Traits}} to something else. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 17:10, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
 
Thanks -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 08:09, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
::::::I prefer separating the page that way. But I think we don't need to hurry to rename these articles right away. We hardly have any detailed information about trait system in ''The Sims 4'', so it's better to stuff the information we have in [[Trait (The Sims 4)]] at the moment. We're not sure if the system is as simple as ''The Sims 3'' either. There are things called "unlockable trait" or "bonus trait based on Aspiration" for instance. Once we have detailed enough information to sort things out, renaming is in order. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:15, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== Families from... ==
==New users not being welcomed==
 
[[Special:Contributions/‎73.190.48.34|‎73.190.48.34]], [[Special:Contributions/‎68.45.246.114|‎68.45.246.114]], [[Special:Contributions/50.156.12.84|50.156.12.84]], etc. are new editors to the wiki. The only problem is, for some reason Wikia hasn't sent them a welcome message yet.
 
   
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I personally think that the Families from categories (ie [[:Category:Families from The Sims 4 (base game)|this category]]) should be renamed into "Households from <nowiki><game> <pack></nowiki>". Since there are households that aren't blood related, such as the [[Roomies household (Sunset Valley)|Roomies household]] and the [[BFF household]]. Other categories including families should also be replaced. Also, they're just officially known as households vs. families. Maybe separate categories could work too.
I asked on Community Central Chat and was told that the bot was "sometimes slow", so I let it slide. It's been several hours and still no welcome message. Think this is another Wikia issue, probably broke some code or their bot is down. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:47, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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Sorry if this is in the wrong place btw, I'm not really familiar with this wiki. --<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">'''akumi'''</span>]] [[User talk:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 16:26, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
:Note: Welcome messages aren't appearing for any other wiki too. This isn't related to just our wiki. Hopefully Staff has figured it out by now and will have a fix ready soon. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:49, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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:That's not a bad suggestion. Unfortunately, it's not simply as easy as renaming a few pages. Categories, unlike articles and templates, cannot be renamed once they are created. In order to do as you've suggested, we'd have to create brand new category pages and then delete the old ones. Even then, this still is not an insurmountable obstacle. What ''would'' be difficult, however, would be the second part of your suggestion; splitting categories. Right now, the template {{t|Infobox family}} auto-categorizes family/household pages, but there is no mechanism built into the template as of now to differentiate between a family and a household. It is possible to create such a thing, but I'd wonder whether the end result is worth the effort. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 16:31, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
::This has been happening since few months back when I was still active in the wiki. The welcome messages will still appear in next few hours though and waiting for almost half a day is normal to me. Nothing we can do exactly about them right now. --{{FWSig}} 11:57, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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::Hmm, that's fair. --<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">'''akumi'''</span>]] [[User talk:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 18:49, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
:::Okay, sent in a bug report to Wikia. Will hopefully get a response soon. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 19:52, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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==TS4 neighborhood categorizing bug==
::::While the Wikia had this problem, should all of the users give a welcome messages to the contributors and the registered users or admins only? [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] 11:11, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
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For awhile now, we've had an issue where TS4 neighborhood pages (not ''world'' pages, but the pages about the neighborhoods within the worlds) were getting categorized into [[:Category:Neighborhoods in]], which is a glitch category. I am happy to say that, with a single exception, that is no longer a problem and all TS4 neighborhood pages should now be automatically categorizing properly.
   
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The issue was in the way that {{t|Infobox neighborhood}} assigned categories. The infobox would take the input name of the neighborhood, and cross-check it against {{t|Checkgame}}; the purpose of that template is to simply say which base game a particular world/neighborhood belongs to. The problem is that Checkgame only included the TS4 worlds, but did not include the TS4 neighborhoods. When I thought about it a bit, I realized that having a template to check which game a neighborhood/world appears in is unnecessary. So I reworked Infobox Neighborhood so that it looks for the game parameter instead of the neighborhood's name, and then checks to see if the game is on the {{t|MGL}}. The MGL outputs a code for the base game, even if the name that is input is an expansion/game/stuff pack, and then I plug that output into {{t|Vgcode}} to spit out the full name of the base game. I did it this way because our current operating principle has been to categorize all neighborhoods/worlds within a given game together, even if some were introduced in expansions (for instance, we don't have a category [[:Category:Neighborhoods in The Sims 2: Seasons]], even though that expansion introduced [[Riverblossom Hills]]).
:::::The MediaWiki settings always sign welcome messages with an admin's signature. If there are no active admins it is signed by a Staff member. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:47, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::::The bot signs it with a member of the administrative team or staff, but there's no particular reason why regular users wouldn't be allowed to give welcome messages themselves. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 14:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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The end result of all these workings is that neighborhood pages for TS4 no longer need to be manually categorized into "Category:Neighborhoods from The Sims 4" or "Category:<world> neighborhoods"; the template will do both automatically. When I get a chance, I'll take a look at {{t|Infobox world}} as well and try to prevent similar problems on that front. My goal is to make it so that {{t|Checkgame}} isn't used on any templates and can be deleted.
:::::::I mean that a normal user would've give a welcome message to the new editors, however, the sign must be an active admin or a Wikia Staff (if that particular user knows the staffs and the admins well) and not themselves. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] 15:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
::::::::If a user is posting a welcome message, they should use their own signature. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 15:33, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
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I tested the changes out before I implemented them. While I cannot see any errors in what I've done at this point, if you encounter any problems with the change, please let me know so I can address it. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:25, June 16, 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::::Got the following response from Wikia:
 
 
<blockquote>Hello K6ka,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks for bringing this to our attention - it does appear the tool has broken down. I'll flag it up to the technical team, and we'll investigate what has gone wrong.
 
 
Apologies for this issue, and best regards,
 
 
George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn)
 
Wikia Community Support
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
</blockquote>
 
 
:::::::::--'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 21:57, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::::Bringing this up right now - users can welcome new users with the {{t|Welcome}} and {{t|WelcomeIP}} templates. Be sure to read the documentation at the bottom of those pages. Monitor [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] and look for users that have a red "Talk" link (meaning they do not have a talk page). If they do not have "STAFF", "HELPER", "WIKIA STAR", or "VSTF" next to their username in the user header box, then you can add a template. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 17:09, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
 
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Update: Bot is back up and running. Thanks guys. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:00, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:I think the bot might be delayed. As the contributor (which it is vandalizing) isn't being welcome. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] 11:21, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::Hmm, it made like a few edits on my other wiki. It also made a couple of edits on the Developers Wikia. Not sure about the other wikis. Oh well. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:40, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:::So far, the bot's very unstable. Sometimes it welcomes, sometimes it doesn't. If the user is manually welcomed, sometimes the bot will pop up out of nowhere and leave a duplicate welcome message. If the user is not welcomed, the bot won't edit at all and it looks silly. Until Wikia sorts this out, I have thoughts of disabling this feature, at least temporarily, and go back to manually welcoming users by changing [[MediaWiki:Welcome-user]] to "@disabled", until Wikia can sort this out. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 13:59, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Resurrecting this cause it seems the bot is down... again! See [[User:K6ka/What to do if the welcome bot is down]] for instructions on what to do. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 12:43, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
{{Closed|resolved|At long last, it appears that the bot is working again and is welcoming every new contributor to the wiki! --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 00:42, September 4, 2014 (UTC)}}
 
 
==Multiple neighborhood parameters in {{t|Lot}}==
 
I've copied {{t|Lot}} onto my testpage (see [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:LostInRiverview/Test?oldid=595316 here]) with the intent to modernize it, so it looks like our other main infobox templates. While going through the template, I noticed that there's a spot for multiple neighborhoods, if a lot appears in more than one neighborhood. Since the template ultimately uses the neighborhood name to determine what color the template itself is, it's important that each lot be from only one neighborhood (or, at the very least, from only one game or game generation). So if those extra neighborhood parameters are actually used, then I'll have to come up with another way to give color to the templates. Does anyone know if {{t|Lot}} is used for any lots/houses that appear in multiple neighborhoods? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 08:16, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Introducing {{t|Outdent}} ==
 
 
You may have noticed the weird lines I occasionally add in talk pages and forum posts. It looks a bit like this:
 
 
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That's called an outdent, and no, the idea for it was not original. It was used on [[wikipedia:Template:Od|Wikipedia]] as an interesting (and fancy) way to reset the indents on a talk page. When a talk page was indented to an incredible length, the template was used to signify that the indents were "reset" and users should start from number 1 again. For example:
 
 
:Blah blah blah --User 1
 
::Blah blah blah --User 2
 
:::Blah blah blah --User 1
 
::::STOP SPAMMING --User 3
 
:::::Blah blah blah --User 4
 
::::::Meh --User 5
 
:::::::Blah ... blah blah! Haha! --User 6
 
::::::::Jeez, you guys are annoying. --User 3
 
:::::::::Yeah, I'd have to agree with User 3 with this one --User 8
 
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You irritating little children! --User 9
 
:Blah blah blah IDC --User 2
 
::lolwut --User 4
 
 
Something like the above. It's not strictly required, but seeing that I was getting tired of copy 'n' pasting the outdent, I decided to steal the template code from Wikipedia and use it here. Details are in the [[Template:Outdent/doc|documentation]]. You can also just use {{t|Od}} as a shortcut. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:51, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:I've never used this outdent thing before, but it looks neat and tidy when you use it. Making a template for it is quite practical. I'm going to try to get used to it! [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:17, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
 
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==Colors for infoboxes==
 
I've updated the [[:Category:Game color templates|Game color templates]] so ''[[The Sims 4]]'' finally has some color. You can see the colors in action on my test page ([[User:LostInRiverview/Test|here]]). I took the colors from screenshots of the new in-game Gallery feature, since they seem to be indicative of the palette that is being used in the game. The colors strongly resemble the colors we've picked for The Sims 2 and, even if they didn't, I'm not entirely sure I'm a fan of the colors I have now as they seem very subdued. But, it's a start and we can build off of it. I'm going to play around with the colors a little bit more, but I wanted to open it up to comments and discussion, so we can make improvements. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 23:49, June 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:I originally planned to use white color scheme based on the UI we've seen in the trailers. It's not too similar to ''The Sims 2'' color scheme, but it is for ''The Sims Social''. Probably we could change ''[[The Sims Social]]'' color, considering the only usage is in its own game article.
 
 
:Also, I see that the {{T|Vgsecondaryfontcolor}} for ''The Sims 4'' is black instead of white that's used in most series. While black is more contrast to the background color, I think I prefer white as it has no major problem with the readability and it's consistent with other schemes. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 16:24, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 
::Looking back now, I actually like the colors for ''TS4'' as they are. I do think we should make the ''TS2'' colors darker, possibly to match the darker blue UI in the game. As for font color, that should always be decided on a case-by-case basis as it relates to how easily the font is read; just because the other schemes use a white color, it doesn't necessarily mean this one should too. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 17:00, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I agree with making the ''TS2'' colors darker, especially if that would affect object descriptions in infoboxes. I think that would help readability, especially in articles with several infoboxes. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 20:58, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I've tweaked {{T|Object}} so that it uses bold+italic for descriptions instead of just italic. IMO, that's easier to read -- at least it's easier for me to read. I think that's because the bolding darkens the text so it stands out more. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 21:21, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
==No Must Watch Videos gadget==
 
This does not appear to be working properly. At least, I am still getting the module, even though I have set my preferences to use this gadget. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 15:00, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:The gadget is broken - you'll need to [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Special:MyPage/wikia.css?action=edit&section=new&preload=User%3ALost_Labyrinth%2Fvideokiller.css click here] and save Lab's code into your personal Wikia .css file. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 15:06, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::Thanks! [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 17:02, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:::I was just wondering about this myself. Does it mean this module isn't disabled entirely in this wikia? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:51, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::::The module is enabled on this Wikia, and Wikia forces us to keep it enabled and visible. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 14:54, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Ah, Wikia and its policies... [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:03, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::::::Can some users have the JS/CSS page? Because I want to remove the gadget too, it's bugging me out. Hehe. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 11:52, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:::::::Yes, all users who are logged in can have their own personal JS/CSS pages. Just [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Special:MyPage/wikia.css?action=edit&section=new&preload=User%3ALost_Labyrinth%2Fvideokiller.css click here] and hit Save. [[w:Help:JavaScript and CSS Cheatsheet|Here's a help page on this stuff]]. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 12:32, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::Thank you for the info! [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 12:42, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
==Era template==
 
I did some tinkering and I think I got {{t|Era}} to display correctly again. Please let me know if you notice any problems stemming from it. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 12:53, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 
:Ah, thanks for taking care of it! [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:52, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
==[[MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation]] error==
 
I want to add [[Blog:The Sim's Pen]] to the navigation under blog posts button, but the editor doesn't allow me. It says the level 1 menu is too wide. It's odd, because it will say so even if you preview it without making any changes. Sooner or later if we need to edit the navigation, we need to shorten the level 1 menu name as well. I tried to change "Interact" into "aaa" and the editor allowed me. Any ideas which menus to shorten? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:46, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:I'm getting the glitch on my other wiki too, which is strange, because it fits just fine. Looks like Wikia broke something here. [[Special:Contact]] it, maybe? --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 14:47, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::Well, the error tells us to go to [[w:c:community:Help:Navigation]]. The "error" seems intended, meaning it's more like they changed the limit (while keeping the preexisting navigations intact so they won't be broken). [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:03, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:::Hmm, it seems like the error has been fixed. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 14:03, September 19, 2014 (UTC)
 

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Giving TS4 Headshots Black Background

Is it an idea, that like the TS2 headshots and the TS3 headshots to give all TS4 headshots a black background as well? It might not be necessary, but it gives the wikia a consistent look doesn't it? I'd like to hear your thoughts DeSims (talk) 19:59, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Updating {{Pagecover}}

*Blows dust off the Development Portal Talk Page*

So, I have no idea where else I would start a discussion related to this. Here goes!

As I've been working on the new infobox conversion, I've started to wonder whether some of our other wiki templates may benefit from a re-working of their existing code. To that end, I took a copy of Template:Pagecover over to my test wiki and redesigned it so that the base code for the template is located in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, instead of within the template itself (through in-line css). After a couple hours' worth of work, I think I've got the template fully converted. As far as I can tell, it functions exactly the same as the present Pagecover, save for two deliberate and minor changes. However, I can't be totally sure that the template does work in 100% of cases, and as {{Pagecover}} is used on (by my estimate) about 500 pages on the wiki, I wanted to see if anyone else (*cough*Nikel23*cough*) could take a look at the template and css code and see if they could spot any deficiencies or bugs.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the template is fully converted, so the css code for the template's functionality has been added to The Sims Wiki's MediaWiki:Wikia.css page (but not yet added to "MediaWiki:Common.css"). I have also put the new template code at Template:Pagecover/test for further experimentation and tweaks. Any assistance that anyone could lend would be appreciated!

P.S. the two aforementioned "minor changes" from "old" Pagecover to "new" Pagecover are:

  • There is no "noname" parameter in the "new" design - in the "old" design, this parameter would stop the header and text from displaying on top of the image, allowing a user to use Pagecover as a sort of "large image frame." (see this blog post of mine for a real-world example of this feature in action) In the "new" design, the "name" parameter is no longer mandatory and, if left blank, the header and all text will be kept invisible, even if other text parameters are filled in. This change should not affect the appearance of the template in instances where "noname" is invoked, since it will be a blank parameter with no built-in functionality; additionally, in those cases, "name" already would've been left blank, so the overall effect will be the same either way.
  • There is no "toc" parameter in the new design. Anecdotally it seems that the table of contents feature in "old" pagecover is very rarely used, so it seems pointless to include it in the new design.

Thanks -- LostInRiverview talk · blog · contribs 08:09, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

Families from...

I personally think that the Families from categories (ie this category) should be renamed into "Households from <game> <pack>". Since there are households that aren't blood related, such as the Roomies household and the BFF household. Other categories including families should also be replaced. Also, they're just officially known as households vs. families. Maybe separate categories could work too.

Sorry if this is in the wrong place btw, I'm not really familiar with this wiki. --akumi (talk) 16:26, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

That's not a bad suggestion. Unfortunately, it's not simply as easy as renaming a few pages. Categories, unlike articles and templates, cannot be renamed once they are created. In order to do as you've suggested, we'd have to create brand new category pages and then delete the old ones. Even then, this still is not an insurmountable obstacle. What would be difficult, however, would be the second part of your suggestion; splitting categories. Right now, the template {{Infobox family}} auto-categorizes family/household pages, but there is no mechanism built into the template as of now to differentiate between a family and a household. It is possible to create such a thing, but I'd wonder whether the end result is worth the effort. -- LostInRiverview talk · blog · contribs 16:31, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
Hmm, that's fair. --akumi (talk) 18:49, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

TS4 neighborhood categorizing bug

For awhile now, we've had an issue where TS4 neighborhood pages (not world pages, but the pages about the neighborhoods within the worlds) were getting categorized into Category:Neighborhoods in, which is a glitch category. I am happy to say that, with a single exception, that is no longer a problem and all TS4 neighborhood pages should now be automatically categorizing properly.

The issue was in the way that {{Infobox neighborhood}} assigned categories. The infobox would take the input name of the neighborhood, and cross-check it against {{Checkgame}}; the purpose of that template is to simply say which base game a particular world/neighborhood belongs to. The problem is that Checkgame only included the TS4 worlds, but did not include the TS4 neighborhoods. When I thought about it a bit, I realized that having a template to check which game a neighborhood/world appears in is unnecessary. So I reworked Infobox Neighborhood so that it looks for the game parameter instead of the neighborhood's name, and then checks to see if the game is on the {{MGL}}. The MGL outputs a code for the base game, even if the name that is input is an expansion/game/stuff pack, and then I plug that output into {{Vgcode}} to spit out the full name of the base game. I did it this way because our current operating principle has been to categorize all neighborhoods/worlds within a given game together, even if some were introduced in expansions (for instance, we don't have a category Category:Neighborhoods in The Sims 2: Seasons, even though that expansion introduced Riverblossom Hills).

The end result of all these workings is that neighborhood pages for TS4 no longer need to be manually categorized into "Category:Neighborhoods from The Sims 4" or "Category:<world> neighborhoods"; the template will do both automatically. When I get a chance, I'll take a look at {{Infobox world}} as well and try to prevent similar problems on that front. My goal is to make it so that {{Checkgame}} isn't used on any templates and can be deleted.

I tested the changes out before I implemented them. While I cannot see any errors in what I've done at this point, if you encounter any problems with the change, please let me know so I can address it. -- LostInRiverview talk · blog · contribs 04:25, June 16, 2019 (UTC)