Talk:Morgyn Ember

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Pronouns

I've been seeing a lot of changes to the pronouns referring to Morgyn and people keep changing it from he to they and vise versa multiple times. I know that due to Morgyn's custom gender settings it looks like the Sim is gender non-conforming ala Trans or Non-binary. But considering the SimGurus themselves refer to Morgyn as he multiple times, i believe it's best to assume he's a trans-man with he/him pronouns. WizardJeremy (talk) 23:41, September 14, 2019 (UTC)

From the custom settings in the game I'd say that Morgyn is male and gender non-conforming. It's not like these things are mutually exclusive. If the SimGurus are using masculine pronouns so should the Wiki IMO since that's official information.

Also, it seems to me that Morgyn is a completely original character and not a spoof of Newt Scamander or Sabrina. Both those assertions are pretty far fetched. —Gvaudoin 💬 00:45, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

I agree. If his gender is set as male, he should be referred to as male on his page regardless of how much the gender customisations are customised. Just like how Lia Hauata has a masculine body but is set as female and so is referred to as such on her page. Mariaw (talk) 00:54, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

The problem Is that there is no option for non binary option in the game as of yet. It isn't a thing that can be done. They have to be set to male, or female. The only option that comes with a third choice in the expansive gender options is get pregnant, or impregnate or neither. That's the closest hint we have to Morgyn being non binary. Because there is no other neutral option in the game. You can't say "Set to male, so must be male". The games limitations means that isn't always true. Male/Female option is basically "Flat chested, or Full chested" And most folks consider flat chested to be mroe androngynous. Which is likely why they were set to male. I also agree that the character isn't much like Newt or Sabrina. Also do you have a source to the SimGuru refering to Morgyn as he? Because I've yet to see it. Unless there is an explicit source I'm going to lean on them being non binary as I believe Darling to be as well. 2601:1C1:4000:FCE0:75CD:3C08:A0E1:60C0 (talk) 04:02, September 15, 2019 (UTC) 

Both gurus refer to Morgyn as "He" in the livestream.here's the link to the moment. WizardJeremy (talk) 09:31, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

That MAY just be that the gurus are used to use the pronoun "he" for people who look male. Maybe these gurus hadn't seen Morgyn in CAS, because even though they're gurus they don't take a look at everything. But still, I don't mean that we can't use "he" for Morgyn, I just mean that the gurus may not even had had a thought of using any other pronoun. In-game Morgyn has the prnoun "he" because they only have "he" and "she" in-game, so I don't think it's wrong to use "he" on Morgyn's page until proven otherwise by a guru explicity saying what Morgyn's pronoun(s) is/are. Katsube (talk) 09:55, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

I've seen that Morgyn's pronoun have been changed back and forth, between "he" and "they" several times the last days. Could we just agree on one pronoun and then keep it until proven otherwise? I suggest "they" because, first of all it's neutral and can be used for people who have the pronoun "he" or "she" as well, and, second, because the EA Game Changer WellMadeSandwich wrote on their (Btw, see what I did there? I don't know the person's gender so I used "their", the pronoun "they" doesn't take someone's gender away, it's just neutral.) Twitter account that they had asked SimGuruNinja about Morgyn's gender and got the answer "I would definitely think Morgyn would identify as nonbinary or genderfluid." I saw that they wrote this on other social media too, with a little bit of more information, for example they said that they had asked SimGuruNinja in person, not on social media, but I can't find it, and I don't remember if it was on Tumblr, Instagram, or something else. Anyway, the Twitter post suggests that Morgyn is non-binary, but since the answer isn't ON a SimGuru's account it's not an official answer, but this, and the fact that Morgyn have a preference for female clothing, suggests that Morgyn is non-binary. Let's go with "they" until proven otherwise.

Here's a link to the Twitter post: https://twitter.com/WMSandwich/status/1171437789331636225

Katsube (talk) 07:28, October 14, 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand why "they" would be the default when masculine pronouns are used in the game as well as by the SimGurus. Morgyn has never officially been referred to as "they". —Gvaudoin 💬 15:05, October 15, 2019 (UTC)

Just because Morgyn wears feminine clothes doesn't mean he necessarily has to be non-binary. Men can wear feminine clothes without being non binary. Until we get a confirmation of his gender being non-binary from the Gurus, we should just use he/him pronouns because all signs point to him being a male who just wears feminine clothes. Take Darling Walsh as an example. She was one of the first premade Sims to wear clothing made for a different gender. This led many people to people to believe she was non-binary, but in game, she was just a female Sim who wears clothes tagged as masculine. Her Sims wiki page refers to her as female and uses she/her pronouns. We still have no confirmation if she is non-binary or not, so the page still says female. I believe he/him pronouns are appropriate until we hear otherwise. Speculation is not allowed on the wiki. His gender settings seem to fit more as if he were a transgender man (although there is no confirmation of this either. He can't get others pregnant, get pregnant, or stand up to use the bathroom, which is a typical trait of transgender men who have gone through HRT. They sometimes become infertile and unable to become pregnant.) DarkSuicune2000 15:17, October 15, 2019 (UTC)

Even if someone is genderfluid and wears both masculine and feminine clothes doesn't mean they can't use "he" or "she" pronouns. Everyone seems to be hung up on clothes and makeup when it's really not about that at all. There's simply no reason for using "they". It's not used in the game or by the SimGurus. Some players might use "they" but the Wiki should reflect official information. —Gvaudoin 💬 15:27, October 15, 2019 (UTC)

Being a spoof

I'm pretty sure that Morgyn is an original character and not a spoof of neither Newt nor Sabrina. Morgyn and Newt don't have the same personality at all, and they don't have much of a visual resemblance either. Morgyn and Sabrina doesn't look anything alike, and that Morgyn may be a spoof because of the same song as in Sabrina is very farfetched. The only thing they have in common is that they can use magic, and there are a lot of fictional characters that can use magic. Morgyn is simply an original character. So I'll remove the whole part of Morgyn being a spoof of Newt or Sabrina. Katsube (talk) 06:39, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

I agree on just removing it anyway, cause after consideration its not really needed as after playing with them and rewatching the Gameplay trailer they really are just an original character.

I'd just like to explain as to why i believed the character highly resembled Sabrina from Chilling Adventures is the bold imagery Morgyn has is curled short bright blonde hair and the big red overcoat, which was prominently worn by Sabrina through Season 1 on the show as well as it was Sabrina's colour scheme in promotional material. And as said the trailer used the same song that was in promotional material, so that, Morgyn's androgenous appearance (to which i now know is because he's trans), and the fact they're both characters who are shown to be exceptionally powerful, it was a dead ringer for me.

I do agree that Morgyn doesn't resemble Newt Schamander at all, i can kinda see it with the type of overcoat but it's not the same colour, Newt has a different hairstyle, and the fact Morgyn never once was portrayed as bumbling or awkward as Newt's character is.WizardJeremy (talk) 09:10, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

My theory is that Morgyn is based on Michael Langdon from American Horror Story: Apocalypse; I mean, their hair is identical to his when he was at the Wizarding School. Their coat is also identical to his when he lived in the bunker after the nuclear apocalypse. Michael is famous for defying gender norms, and his actor, Cody Fern, does so as well, wearing dresses and makeup on the red carpet and looking really good whilst doing it. The fact that Morgyn is an untamed spell caster, arguably the most “evil” or “chaotic” of the schools, I feel like they are definitely based on Michael. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.191.216.166 (talk • contribs) 11:16, October 11, 2019‎ (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~~~~

I do see the resemblance, but the hair isn't completely identical, Morgyn's hair parts on the left while Michael's hair parts on the right, but other than that, yes, it looks a lot alike. About the coat the only resemblance I can see is that the coat is long, other than that it is in a different material, and the lapels look completely different, and they are in different colours. At least I guess I'm looking at the correct coat, I haven't seen the movie, I just Googled, and in the search results I looked at the coat that had the closest resemblance of Morgyn's coat. I guess Michael Langdon could've been an inspiration for Morgyn, but I wouldn't say that Morgyn is a spoof of Michael, then they would've had even more similarities. I mean, their faces don't look alike, or is that only my opinion? I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know at all about Michael Langdon's personality. Do Michael and Morgyn have similar personalities? When it comes to Cody Fern, I couldn't find any pictures of him wearing a dress, though I saw a lot of pictures of him wearing stereotypically female clothes, and makeup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katsube (talk • contribs) 08:20, October 18, 2019‎ (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~~~~