Hey,
I wanted to discuss some page style stuff for TS4 DLC (EPs, GPs, SPs and Kits), as currently they're a bit all over the place and we don't have a set style yet.
I've already discussed it with Hollowness, but I figured it's a good idea to ask around because I'm still not sure about which one is better.
On the left is The Sims 4: Lovestruck, on the right is The Sims 4: Life & Death.
I find regular paragraphs to be more pleasant to the eye, as they fill the page more naturally (at least in non-extended mode, since I don't really use that one). Examples below! ODAPHII (talk) 04:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Note it will look much different if the theme proposal goes through, and the reason I made it a table because the icons were sometimes messed up with the title text or the headers below. I really think this wiki should stop using icons floating in articles with text, and be in some sort of table or gallery instead.
- I remember that, but this is easily fixable with a clr is it not? I don't see the issue with using images/icons in the body of an article either, I've done it for a while on multiple wikis and there's never been any issue.
- The table is nice but is it necessary? I don't feel it's a vital element of a page like an infobox.
- Plus, the void it leaves under the infobox when there isn't enough text above it honestly just bugs me. ODAPHII (talk) 04:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not if the image is beside an infobox then it will push everything under the clr template/infobox, which is worse that both of the original options. Hence, why I made a table that could fit even the narrowest screen size and an infobox.
- The table could be placed on top (before the TOC) since it is an official description so it is always beside the infobox and less change of gap. Really, the table was to fix an issue not to highjack the design.
- I fixed kits, stuff packs and only just started game packs and expansion packs. Kits and stuff packs get the distortion the worst, hence why I fixed them first. I have been expanding to conform to a universal formatting.
- If a formatting can be done without a table that doesn't look bad for kits/sp aka get the text alignment issue fixed, fine let's do it. But beyond that I stand by it is a fix, the table of course can be tweaked or placed where the gap isn't, but clr won't fix it, if it is beside an infobox too—it will just create a huge gap.
- If a formatting can be done without a table that doesn't look bad for kits/sp aka get the text alignment issue fixed, fine let's do it. But beyond that I stand by it is a fix, the table of course can be tweaked or placed where the gap isn't, but clr won't fix it, if it is beside an infobox too—it will just create a huge gap.
- I don't mean a clr under the infobox; for example, what you posted earlier;
- I don't mean a clr under the infobox; for example, what you posted earlier;
- After All Charged Up and its paragraph, a clr template so Dark and Dreamy doesn't appear next to the icon but underneath it.
- For the second example, a clr before Stay Snug in Style and one after its paragraph so it doesn't offset the next header.
- I think in that case we could at the very least use borderless tables so it doesn't ACTUALLY look like a table. Other than just clearing space between blurbs and not using tables, I don't know where else we could put those features so it doesn't leave that annoying gap under the infobox.
- It really, aesthetically, bothers me enough to bring it up, if it didn't I wouldn't be making this post. Cause ultimately we're free to reformat pages any way we see fit, and I was the one to bring in the icons to the paragraph, but if you and I go back and forth trying to out-edit each other, it's an edit war :( so I just think it's important it looks good. I didn't pay attention to any clipping at the time because I had so much of them to do (and I don't think I finished, either lmao) ODAPHII (talk) 15:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- One thing about edit wars, is you cannot revert someone else's edits ultimately because you don't like it. I do get the distortion issue, just because you cannot replicate it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I provided screen shots. Windows are in all sorts of dimensions, you use very narrow, I use midrange narrow and some people use wide. We just have to try our best to make sure nothing looks broken. The table stops the distortion, and even if it creates a gap in some instances, a gap it isn't an actual distortion, it is just a table and behaves like tables do. So sadly if you were to revert all my edits back to the distortion because you don't like the gap, that isn't really enough of a reason. So unless we find a compromise, there really is no need for reverting.
- One thing about edit wars, is you cannot revert someone else's edits ultimately because you don't like it. I do get the distortion issue, just because you cannot replicate it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I provided screen shots. Windows are in all sorts of dimensions, you use very narrow, I use midrange narrow and some people use wide. We just have to try our best to make sure nothing looks broken. The table stops the distortion, and even if it creates a gap in some instances, a gap it isn't an actual distortion, it is just a table and behaves like tables do. So sadly if you were to revert all my edits back to the distortion because you don't like the gap, that isn't really enough of a reason. So unless we find a compromise, there really is no need for reverting.
- Some tables were functionally fine but were changed because you, or I, or someone else didn't like them. Which I've always been told from the beginning was allowed.
- Sorry but I really don't feel like my concerns are being taken into consideration, so I don't really feel like going back and forth, and no one else seems interested to give any input so I'm just gonna let it go... Could you at the very least get rid of the borders on the tables? I would just want those to look like they're part of the article body, not a self-contained table. Ideally that'd be the case for both themes. ODAPHII (talk) 03:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, people can change styles of tables or even article structures, but in terms of reverting edits and edit warring, reverting "because I don't like it" isn't a valid reason. You are more than welcome to remove the borders, but they will be automatically removed if the new theme gets implemented, and a fandom rep has already has offered LiR a compromise to push the new theme along. You can even do some table restructuring if you think you could improve upon it. Just try to keep in mind all window sizes/sizing. It is not that I am not taking your concerns into consideration; I just have my own concerns as well. But it only has been a day, maybe give a week for others to weigh in. Or you can make tweaks to the tables now, or wait to see if the new theme will happen so you don't have to do all that work just to have it automatically done later.
- Yes, people can change styles of tables or even article structures, but in terms of reverting edits and edit warring, reverting "because I don't like it" isn't a valid reason. You are more than welcome to remove the borders, but they will be automatically removed if the new theme gets implemented, and a fandom rep has already has offered LiR a compromise to push the new theme along. You can even do some table restructuring if you think you could improve upon it. Just try to keep in mind all window sizes/sizing. It is not that I am not taking your concerns into consideration; I just have my own concerns as well. But it only has been a day, maybe give a week for others to weigh in. Or you can make tweaks to the tables now, or wait to see if the new theme will happen so you don't have to do all that work just to have it automatically done later.
As no one else has given input, I'd thought I do an update, I suspect we will find out soon if the new theme proposal is going through or not. If it does, I suspect you will be more happy with the new wikitable look without borders for this, if it rejected, I will personally remove all borders, so that it looks more appealing.