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:::About the Prince family from [[Midnight Hollow]], well I'm not so sure but we can safely assume that the two members with Prince surname are already stated as the other two's grandparents. So we say that the Princes is the actual members (and possibly owners) of the house, with the other two joined them shortly after. That makes the family name is correct with the name '''Prince family''' (not household). --[[User:Walker guy94|<font face="Verdana" color="RoyalBlue">'''Walker'''</font>]] [[User:Walker guy94/Test Page|<font face="Georgia" color="SeaGreen">'''guy94'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Walker guy94|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="DarkMagenta">Talk to me!</font>]]</sup> 14:19, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::About the Prince family from [[Midnight Hollow]], well I'm not so sure but we can safely assume that the two members with Prince surname are already stated as the other two's grandparents. So we say that the Princes is the actual members (and possibly owners) of the house, with the other two joined them shortly after. That makes the family name is correct with the name '''Prince family''' (not household). --[[User:Walker guy94|<font face="Verdana" color="RoyalBlue">'''Walker'''</font>]] [[User:Walker guy94/Test Page|<font face="Georgia" color="SeaGreen">'''guy94'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Walker guy94|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="DarkMagenta">Talk to me!</font>]]</sup> 14:19, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the feedback so far. I am glad people seem to be in agreement for the most part. I have an additional question, which should maybe be a different topic, but... I've noticed that many of the single-member families will have their family name listed in the neighbourhood (for example [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Gladsten_Farmwell Farmwell household]) and that the link goes directly to the sole member. This seems to be the common practive and makes some sense, I guess. The problem I see with it is that this negates the household page which contains information such as family funds, difficulty, house/lot info, and any theories as to possible relations to the home. Should every household have a page? I think so.
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I've been trying to make some updates to the wiki by following what's been done before as a guide, (improving where I can). I have a problem when it comes to making new articles for Sim families. When should they be called a "family" and when are they a "household".

Besides the obvious situations where either everyone is related (family) or nobody is (household) there has been little consistency. Here are some of the problem areas:

  1. What if a sim is the sole member of their household?
  2. What if the household is clearly a family but has a single non-related member living with them? (ex. Littler family)
  3. What if there's a household of room mates but within that house there are a pair of siblings? (ex. Caliente household)
  4. What if a situation exists like the one above but the related sims are cousins?

I think there should be some standard for this but I cannot find it. (If one gets decided from this discussion, the decision should be posted on the Template:FamilyInfobox page.

It seems to me that the rule should go something like:

  • If the household's name equals 50% or more of the inhabitants' last names AND they are related, the household is a family. (ie. A married couple with different last names would be a "family" if the household name was one of their's. However, two house mates that are not related would be a "household" even if both their last names were the same as the household name)
  • If the household name does not equal 50% or more of any related inhabitants' last names, it is a "household" unless the household name is clearly a variation of its inhabitants.
  • The household or family name should be as the game presents it with only "family" or "household" appended to the end.
To clarify, the Jones-Brown family would indeed be called a family as, although only one of the three inhabitants has that last name, it it clearly derived from her parents' names. However the Bird Sisters Household (which is called the Bird Family on this wiki) should be called the "Bird Sisters household" as there is no "Bird" household in the game.

I'm asking this to clarify (especially for single member households, which I think should be "family" in case there are other members elsewhere, they can be added to that family page) as I am in the process of updating Midnight Hollow and I want to get things in line for ITF when it comes out.

Any thoughts?

--Absimiliard (talk) 05:08, September 27, 2013 (UTC)Absimiliard

Although I'm not sure if we have an official guideline for this naming convention, I think it's pretty good if we can consider about it. Generally, the decision is made by common sense, although there could be some unique instances when common sense doesn't work. The following should be considered always true, as far as I can tell.
  • If a Sim is the sole member of the household, it's called "family", unless it's stated otherwise. For example, John Mole lives alone, so his family name is called "Mole family". However, Naomi Nita of Lucky Palms' family name is called "Survivalist" when checked from the Edit Town, so it's safe to assume to call her family name "Survivalist household".
  • In The Sims 3, the name of the family or household is basically determined from the family biography you see from Edit Town mode. Whether they're called "household" or "family" is then determined on our own. If the name is obviously not the family name (like Survivalist household mentioned above), it's simply called "household", but the condition isn't always the same for "family" though.
The only example I'm not sure to be consistent for The Sims 2 is Bell family though, since of the member has different surname, but she's still blood-related.
I do agree with the three points you've stated there. They could be good standpoints to determine whether a family should be called "family" or "household". IMO, the Bird family should be renamed to Bird Sister household, since that's what the game refers them to.
Could there be any more cases of naming inconsistencies? I'm not sure about the Littler family and Caliente household. Nikel Talk Vote! 10:49, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the fact that the Bird family page should be renamed alongside other families/households with naming inconsistencies (Such as Elson family from Starlight Shores whereas its in-game household name is The Elson Family).
But what about families that has a 50-50 percentage of Sims with different last names? The Prince family from Midnight Hollow is a good example of this. They are blood-related (looking at the family description), but should they be called a family or a household considering that the teenagers in the household (which consists of half the household) has a different last name? EpicJoyBoy (talk) 13:52, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
I think it's safe that we should stick to the names that the developers already made, such as the example of the Bird family which should be named as Bird Sisters household, despite the two members are actually sisters.
About the Prince family from Midnight Hollow, well I'm not so sure but we can safely assume that the two members with Prince surname are already stated as the other two's grandparents. So we say that the Princes is the actual members (and possibly owners) of the house, with the other two joined them shortly after. That makes the family name is correct with the name Prince family (not household). --Walker guy94 Talk to me! 14:19, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback so far. I am glad people seem to be in agreement for the most part. I have an additional question, which should maybe be a different topic, but... I've noticed that many of the single-member families will have their family name listed in the neighbourhood (for example Farmwell household) and that the link goes directly to the sole member. This seems to be the common practive and makes some sense, I guess. The problem I see with it is that this negates the household page which contains information such as family funds, difficulty, house/lot info, and any theories as to possible relations to the home. Should every household have a page? I think so. --Absimiliard (talk) 19:07, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

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