Talk: Candidates for deletion

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This page in a nutshell

The purpose of this page is to discuss debatable deletions. If the article is marked for deletion, an announcement here is unnecessary unless not dealt with within a reasonable amount of time.

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For the deletion discussion of fanon pages, see Category talk:Fanon for deletion.

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Please use this page to discuss pages that have been labeled for deletion. Note that this is not a vote; this is a discussion, and as such, comments you add here should explain why you think a page should or should not be deleted. A simple "I support deletion" or "I oppose deletion" is not an explanation or an argument, and does not contribute to the discussion.

Guidelines

Make a level 2 header with the link and title of the article/file.
If it's a file, include a small thumbnail to the right.
~~<s>Strike out</s>~~ the title when it has been resolved.

File:Artistic (TS3).png and File:Trait Artistic small.png

I've just been browsing some unused files, and I found "File:Artistic (TS3).png" which is an unused image. However it is a better quality version of another image "File:Trait Artistic small.png" which is far from unused.

I'm inclined to support the deletion of the "Trait Artistic small.png" file and have "Artistic (TS3)" re-named in it's place, to avoid having to manually update the file links on the pages that use "Trait Artistic small". However the "Artistic (TS3)" image is a slightly different size which may cause it to appear differently in the place of "Trait Artistic small".

For those reasons, I've decided not to take matters like this into my own hands, and in any case I wasn't going to take this matter into my own hands, because I want to know what others think about this. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 07:21, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Template:User democrat

A little over a year ago, we deleted a template that stated that a user was in favor of same-sex marriage. The argument that I made, and that ultimately several other people consented with, was that real-world politics should be avoided on The Sims Wiki in order to avoid the conflicts that can sometimes accompany them. I feel that this point is still valid, and as a result I would like to nominate {{User democrat}} for deletion. -- LiR^{talk • blog • contribs} 05:19, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Reviving this discussion in hopes of reaching a consensus. Personally I am neutral on this subject, if only because I wish to avoid having to entangle myself into the spaghetti-mess that is politics, but for sure I can see the arguments for and against this. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 16:54, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Sims wiki policy concerning real world politics doesn't have a consistent record. I'm opposing the deletion of the template. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 07:31, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Template:Warning and Template:Warning-text

I propose that we delete Template:Warning and Template:Warning-text, as they have been superseded by the new user warning templates. Since the main argument for creating the new warnings was the inadequacy of the old warning, we should fully finish the job and delete the original warning template. No user pages contain the template through transclusion so we won't be breaking anything; all references to the template are through links instead, so we could set the template up as a redirect to The Sims Wiki:Warning instead. There may be a historical argument for keeping the template, but I'd argue that any historical benefit to keeping it is outweighed by the possibility that the old warning may be used, when the new user warnings system was designed to replace it. Ultimately I think we lose very little by just deleting the old warning template (and its auxiliary text template) outright. -- LiR^{talk · blog · contribs} 14:05, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

The old warning can be wrapped in <noinclude></noinclude> tags to prevent anything meaningful from being transcluded or substituted. We've kept our old-old warning template for historical purposes and it has never been used, likely due to the fact that it has been moved to another name. Perhaps we can do that here as well. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 14:41, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

FWIW we also can't delete {{Warning-text}}, because the way our old warning template was designed, this template is transcluded onto people's talk pages. Deleting it would break hundreds of transclusions. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 14:14, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Straud Mansion

Discussion moved from Talk:Straud Mansion. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 00:22, March 23, 2017 (UTC)

Im purposing deletion in this page because i think an individual lot like this doesn't warrant its own page. the information is too minim for lot to have its own page. Wiryawan310 (talk) 00:15, March 23, 2017 (UTC)

Update: the article is merged in Forgotten Hollow page like any other neighborhood. so this page is not needed anymore. Wiryawan310 (talk) 02:01, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

I support deletion. All the information can be found on the List of Forgotten Hollow lots. Gvaudoin (talk) 15:20, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Another idea: The page could be redirected to "List_of_Forgotten_Hollow_lots#Straud_Mansion". Gvaudoin (talk) 14:56, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

List of Moodlets (The Sims 4)

Is there a reason why this page should be deleted in favour of Moodlet List (The Sims 4)? Even if this were the case, this page renaming/moving was done improperly; deleting "List of Moodlets (The Sims 4)" will result in attribution being lost for everyone who contributed to that page. Page moves should be done with the rename page function, not by copy-and-pasting. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 14:06, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Well, I had to made a draft for the contribution taking part of reorganizing/splitting the table/article up into pieces like the template of List of Moodlets (The Sims 4) suggested, and thus Moodlet List (The Sims 4) was born? If you wish to not to delete it (with a valid reason), you can simply remove the nominated deleted template from there and move the information/reorganized version from my newly created page. (DrakonoSkerdikas (talk) 10:20, May 27, 2017 (UTC))

Drafts can (and should) be created in your userspace. This can be done by creating a page under the title User:DrakonoSkerdikas/<name of page you want to create a draft for>. For example, to create a draft for List of Moodlets (The Sims 4)/Life Status, you can create it at User:DrakonoSkerdikas/List of Moodlets (The Sims 4)/Life Status, and then move it over into the article namespace when you're done. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 13:59, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

I support everything k6ka has said. List of Moodlets (The Sims 4) has now been updated to the same monobook style as List of Moodlets (The Sims 3), so there is no reason for Moodlet List (The Sims 4) and its sub-pages to exist. Keeping Moodlet List (The Sims 4) would probably require renaming List of Moodlets (The Sims 3) as well, which would be some unnecessary work. Also, the majority of visitors are most likely going to search "List of moodlets" rather than "Moodlet list". - SimDestroyer (talk) 15:49, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Benali family and Lobo family

These pages have been tagged for deletion with the rationale: "Single living Sims with no relatives don't need a family page."

Which brings up the question: Should single-Sim families have their own family page?

FWIW there's no harm in having the family page, as it provides a place to place the family bio (In previous games; not too sure about The Sims 4). Also, if the family gets expanded in the future, the family page already exists and doesn't need to be recreated. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 14:03, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Im opposing deletion of the pages since we dont know the future of those families because there still a chance that ea will expand those families in future. I also think single-Sim families can have their own family page with the same reason too. Wiryawan310 (talk) 01:07, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

The reason why I tagged these pages for deletion is, that the family page and the sim page share the same information. Of course it can be changed, but still the family pages in my opinion shouldn't really exist. These two Sims don't have any relatives at all, and they are very unlikely to be expanded or featured in The Sims 5, unless they become very popular, like Don Lothario. There is single-living Sims in The Sims 3 that don't have family pages, and were never seemed to be even thought of having (Correct me if I'm wrong) and Johnny Zest does not have a family page, so why should these two Sims either? And the family bio has seemed to be put under the picture of the Sim (At least with Johnny Zest) because The Sims 4 does not have individual Sim bios. 85.29.96.107 (talk) 08:28, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the anonymus poster before me and support deletion. Gvaudoin (talk) 14:59, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Category:Creative Sims

This category has only one member: Randy Hart, and that's about it. We don't have categories for Sims who merely have a high level in one skill, and we already have a category for Sims who mastered any kind of skill: Category:Sims who have mastered a skill. Right now the name is conflicting with Category:Creative Sims (trait); I suggest that "Category:Creative Sims" as it is now be cleared of its category members and the stuff over at "Category:Creative Sims (trait)" be moved over to this title. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 23:53, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely. I strongly support what has just been suggested here. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:04, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

I also support this deletion. - SimDestroyer (talk) 14:29, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Template:TS4Traits and Template:TS4 traits

I have found two templates that have a list of traits from The Sims 4, and these templates are not completed, and seems to abandoned. Then I found Template:Sims4Traits. This template seems to be completed and ready for action, so those two templates that I have listed for deletion should be deleted as Template:Sims4Traits is much better and completed. SimDestroyer (talk) 15:37, June 28, 2017 (UTC)

Recreational park and Mermaids

This page is just a copy of Park article, but lower quality. SimDestroyer (talk) 12:11, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

Added Mermaids article to this, as that one is also a low quality copy of Mermaid. SimDestroyer (talk) 11:01, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

I redirected Mermaids to Mermaid as an alternative to deletion. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 11:09, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

I vote to delete the recreational park article. ✨AireDaleDogz✨ (talk) 10:41, February 15, 2018 (UTC)

AireDaleDogz, this is a discussion, not a vote; your comments must include some reasoning as to why you made your decision. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 11:37, February 15, 2018 (UTC)

I'd just be restating what SimDestroyer said, though. It's a low-quality copy of the Park article. Is everyone supposed to come up with different reasons? ✨AireDaleDogz✨ (talk) 11:56, February 15, 2018 (UTC)

Various Get to Work Sims

I nominate these following pages for deletion:

I'm very sure that all of these Sims only appear in The Gallery and not in any promotional material for The Sims 4: Get to Work. - SimDestroyer (talk) 14:38, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

I think you are right and therefore support deletion. When the page for Miss Hell was nominated for deletion I suggested that a way to establish relevance for articles about Gallery Sims would be to reference at least one piece of promotional material that features the Sim. (see Talk:Miss_Hell#Merge) Gvaudoin (talk) 15:15, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

I don't think your arguments are a good enough reason to warrant deletion. Are they playable in-game? Are they official Sims? If yes, that's good enough for inclusion on the wiki. Is there a specific reason as to why Sims that only appear in the gallery should not be given an article on the wiki? —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 16:18, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Right, so as far as I can tell, all of these are artists whose songs were featured in the game or maybe one of the trailers. They were never actually seen in any way. The articles are also poor quality and don't provide much information besides character traits and appearance. Not even the names are constistent and there are no pictures. While MaxisCreator_01 uploads Sims that appeared in trailers and renders, they have also uploaded completely random stuff espectially in the beginning. Their latest upload is meant to showcase the Final Fantasy XV Outfit for example. Sims like these don't appear to have any relevance to the Sims universe and could simply be added to the List of Sims used in promotional materials but I don't even think they are relevant enough to be featured there since they never really appeared anywhere. I don't see any relevance at all to be honest. Gvaudoin (talk) 17:21, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Wait, who is this "MaxisCreator_01" guy? Are they an official EA/Maxis account? If not, then the Sims listed here are little more than fanon Sims, and can be deleted (since MaxisCreator_01 doesn't seem to be on this wiki, unless Jackboog21 is MaxisCreator_01, which I highly doubt). —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 19:41, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

It's semi-official I think. The account is definitely controlled by SimGurus; see this tweet: https://twitter.com/SimGuruJM/status/930906630824140800 Some SimGurus have their own accounts too but not everything they upload does actually appear anywhere other than the gallery. Sometimes it's just random stuff they made. That's why I suggested there should be some relevance to the Sim universe to warrant an article. Gallery Sims like Babs L'Amour, Iggy Pancakes, or Jordan Mayer are featured heavily in trailers and on renders, have their own backstories and are connected to other Sims, and even appear on front cover art. But the ones that SimDestroyer nominated are just gallery uploads that were never used for anything. Gvaudoin (talk) 20:23, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Career expansion comparisons

I have nominated Comparison between The Sims 2: Open for Business and The Sims 3: Ambitions and Comparison between The Sims 3: Ambitions and The Sims 4: Get to Work for deletion, as both have been combined into Comparison between work themed expansions. - SimDestroyer (talk) 15:14, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Attic

This page was deleted before, but I didn't really remember think at all on how these deletions actually went. Sorry. But anyways, attics aren't actually a real build mode feature in The Sims 4, which this page seems to tell about. It's stub and there really isn't that much information that could be told. The only things that could be told are just "They can be build inside roofs, have objects and windows like in normal rooms, but the player has no control over on what the wall papers on the roof are." It is a stub and probably stays as a stub, without over exaggerating the length of the text of such small info, which wouldn't really be a great idea. - SimDestroyer (talk) 18:00, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

I guess I don't understand. Is the attic in TS4 significantly different from the attics you could create in TS2 or TS3? In those games, you can place objects underneath a roof, provided there's enough vertical clearance. If this is the case, I'd most likely lean towards keeping the article but re-writing it to not be TS4-specific. If this is something unique to TS4, I'd need to know more about it before I'd be able to for sure support keeping or deleting. -- LostInRiverview^{talk · blog · contribs} 03:49, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

No. Attics in The Sims 4 aren't that unique compared to normal rooms. The player just places objects underneath a roof. In fact, they're more restricted than normal rooms. - SimDestroyer (talk) 04:50, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Bus

I found this page to be very unnecessary. It also appears to be a poor quality copy of the Carpool page, just about one type of carpool. IsaiahScribblenauts Disscuss - My Fanon 13:01, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

I'm talking about transportation in The Sims Bustin Out. Cheseburgermac (talk) 13:05, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

However, still isn't necessary, as it has the same usage of travel in the Sims 2, 3 and Life Stories

IsaiahScribblenauts

Disscuss - My Fanon 13:07, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

I oppose deletion. Cheseburgermac (talk) 13:10, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Also, too late, since another user redirected it to Carpool.

IsaiahScribblenauts

Disscuss - My Fanon 13:11, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

The information about the bus from the console games can be added to the carpool article. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 13:14, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

I would like that. Cheseburgermac (talk) 13:15, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Soooo... end of discussion. The page is a redirect now.

IsaiahScribblenauts

Disscuss - My Fanon 14:46, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Just one point of clarification (as I don't have any of the console games): is the bus functionally identical to the carpool, or does it use different gameplay mechanics? I would consider it functionally identical to the carpool if it shows up in front of a Sim's house to take them to/form work/school; if it is, say, like an actual public transit service where Sims can wait at a bus stop for scheduled buses to come and pick them up, then it could go into its own article. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 14:41, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

School bus

useless redirect page. Cheseburgermac (talk) 22:06, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Eh, not really. There is no harm in keeping such a redirect alive, as some users/visitors could search for "school bus". With having this redirect, they would be directed to the carpool page. No need to delete it. - SimDestroyer (talk) 22:10, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

I strongly appose the deletion due to the same reasons stated by SimDestroyer.

IsaiahScribblenauts

Disscuss - My Fanon 00:27, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

No seriously Cheseburgermac, please stop joking. What's your rationale for nominating this page for deletion? —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 03:16, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

Category:Sims named after real people

This is a duplicate category of one that already exists. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 17:31, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if this is how the categories are used, but you could argue that "named after real people" and "based on real people" don't mean the same thing. You could make a Sim that resembles and has the same characteristics as a real-life person, but give that Sim a completely different name, or you could create a Sim with the same name as a real-life person but give them differing characteristics. Like I said, I don't know how the categories are actually used in practice, but I don't know that the two are mutually inclusive. -- LostInRiverview^{talk · blog · contribs} 17:37, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Wouldn't it seem that all Sims "named after real people" are also "based on real people"? For instance we don't know what Julius Caesar looked like exactly in real life, yet the Sim version of him is definitely both named and based on the real person. Of course, the difference between "named after" and "based on" would need to be defined first. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 19:08, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Template:Teen

This "infobox" template has no real parameters and seems to have been created by mistake. Additionally I think we should just make it a speedy deletion criteria so we can delete these erroneous templates without having to go through this venue. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 22:31, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

This does fall under speedy deletion criteria: (1) Reposted content that was already deleted according to policy. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 11:52, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

I support the deletion, for the same reasons that I said regarding the Sim maker template. - SimDestroyer (talk) 17:10, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

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-==[[Veloci-Rooster]]==
-{{Closed|res|Article has been improved. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 13:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)}}
-This is another deletion nomination that needs some explaining... the nomination says that the article doesn't warrant its own page, which I'm inclined to agree with. But should the information on the page instead be merged into another article, and if so, which article? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 07:14, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
-The list of NPCs possibly? But I support the deletion. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 07:20, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
-:I support deletion. The Veloci-Rooster is possibly one of the last things people will be searching for anyway. Shouldn't let it clutter up the wiki. If anything, it could be merged into a list of NPCs, as C.Syde has said. &#8213;'''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[Message Wall:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([http://historyfiction.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Infinite Histories] • [http://galactic-crucibles.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Galactic Crucibles] • [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 The Sims Wiki] • [http://hallows-maleficent.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Hallows Maleficent] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Why I'm here in the first place</font>]])'''</sup> 11:08, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
-::I disagree with deletion. This article covers an animal NPC with a minor story role--similar to [[Mata]] in [[Castaway Stories]]. I feel that the information is sufficient enough that it covers it warrants its own page. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 05:16, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
-:::{{not done}} Deletion tag has been removed and article has been improved. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 13:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
-==[[:Category:LGBT Sims]]==
-{{closed|res|Category is a '''"soft" keep''' since there is not consensus towards deletion. Category can be re-nominated if so desired. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:36, September 29, 2015 (UTC)}}
-Is it worthy to add this category with only one or two or more Sims? I know it can be add in some time but some of the Sims that stated in [[Same-sex relationship#Pre-made_.28possibly.29_gay.2C_lesbian_or_bisexual_Sims|this section]] has said they are possible in LGBT category and this is unpredictable unless the developers said this who actually is or not. (Only the Davis-Welles couple had a same-sex relationship of other Sims and the Shear couples.) [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 00:21, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-:IIRC, there is already a category for homosexual Sims. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 00:39, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-::I'm pretty sure there's more than one LGBT Sim. [[Audrey Shear]], [[Mark Davis-Welles]], [[Michael Dandy]], [[Rita Davis-Welles]] and [[Virginia Supine]] would all properly fall into this category for sure (I don't know why they're not listed). I'm ultimately on the fence about whether this should be deleted, since it could be implied that there are several other Sims in the series that could be LGBT but who we can't confirm. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 00:45, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-::::Fishy, Nikel [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Audrey_Shear?diff=609580&oldid=609194 reverted IP's edit]. I don't know why. :| [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 01:01, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-:::::While there currently are only four Sims that definitely fall into this category, the release of ''The Sims 4'' isn't that far off. Since EA has finally "breached the wall" of including Sims who are definitely in same-sex relationships, it seems possible that there could be some in that game, so I think we can leave it for the time being. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 02:35, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-{{od|:::::}}
-I'd be fine with keeping the category, however the structure should be totally changed. Gay Sims, Lesbians, Bisexual Sims -> LGBT Sims -> Sims. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 04:19, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-:I never thought about that. We should keep this since TS4 will may have more LGBT Sims. And yes, since there are no transgender Sims, if there are any it will said by a Sim's bio or an extension of a spa or hospital interaction in the next game/s. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 04:29, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
-::I'm beginning to think that we should keep the category, at least for now, but change the name so that it refers to relationships. After all, preset relationships are something we can see in all games, whether or not we can see preset preference scores. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 01:25, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
-::I'd probably go with Dharden's suggestion myself. One question though - would possibly gay or bisexual [[Sims]] like [[Circe Beaker]], [[Titania Summerdream]], [[Ariel Capp]], [[Kent Capp]], [[Nervous Subject]] and [[Jason Cleveland]] fall under this category. Or is this category only for Sims who are gay / bisexual in their pre-set back-stories? -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 07:11, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
-:::I think we should limit it to those cases where there's a pre-made relationship or it's explicitly part of the back-story. Those preset preference levels in ''The Sims 2'' are only stable as long as those Sims don't engage in any romantic interactions, and which way they ultimately go is up to the player. Those preset preferences aren't so high that a moderately determined player can't eventually change them. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 13:13, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
-::::Can we can the category into Sims who are engage in a same-sex relationship or something shorter than this? And getting the subcategories as Auror suggested or all the Sims will be in one category. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 13:21, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
-:::::Oh, apologies. At that time, I thought the anon only did that to Audrey. I didn't see the rest of his contributions. I'm just afraid if ''The Sims 2'' editors would exploit this category and claim everyone who has slight preference to the same gender to be gay/lesbian/bi, even though it might just be an oversight and not intended that way. It's actually happening with elders and Sims who have different genetic hair color with their physical hair color, and they're claimed to have dyed their hair. I really don't believe that's the case at all. I agree that we should limit the usage like Dharden explained though.
-:::::I'm not sure if we should keep the category or not though... [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 05:45, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
-::::::Per Dharden and Nikel. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 06:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
-{{od|::::::}}
-@ThePeculiarMe: A category can only be renamed by deleting it and creating a new category. All the articles that were in the old category have to be put in the new one manually or by bot, and all the links to the old one have to be removed the same way. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 13:40, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
-:We have three (or is it four?) bots that can speedily move categories. It shouldn't be difficult at all. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 13:46, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
-:-LGBT person here and a total Wikia noob so pardon any mistakes in editing this BUT I just discovered via an Autostraddle article that there were pre-made LGBT sims and it was probably the happiest Sims-related discovery I've made since the day I discovered passionate kissing can lead to having babies (Sims 1). So I made a category for bisexual sims with the idea of eventually making a category for lesbian and gay sims too...and then it was deleted, referring me to this page, which is apparently also a candidate for deletion. WTF? Effing KEEP the category folks, it's <u>documentation</u> and it really means a lot to those of us queer kids who grew up playing this game. Yeah, ideally there should be separate subcategories under LGBT because if sims can be sorted according to categories like "may have dyed their hair" or "love grilled salmon" then there can damn well be categories of who has a baseline pref for the same sex or both sexes (as opposed to undetermined.) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:5.152.201.148|5.152.201.148]] ([[User talk:5.152.201.148|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/5.152.201.148|contribs]]) 03:08, September 22, 2014 (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
-::While I understand where you're coming from, the decision to delete or not delete the category should not at all depend on whether it "really means a lot" to people who might find it. Categories exist to organize information, not to inspire people. Additionally, we also have [[Same-sex relationship|a page which extensively details non-straight Sims]] in the series. As for individual sub-categories, it's not practical to create them if there aren't Sims in the game that can be sorted into that category. Note for instance that we don't have a category for transgender Sims on the wiki. It's not because we're opposed to having that category, but it's because there are no transgender Sims in the series, and therefore no purpose to the category.
-::So, discussion of whether or not to delete this template should not be biased towards personal feelings, but instead towards whether the category is needed from an organizational standpoint. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 03:33, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
-::While there has been talk about deleting this category, it is agreed that there should be something that is somewhat similar especially since The Sims 4 will probably have some, so don't worry about there being no category to identify these Sims. One of the things mentioned in the previous discussion, of which I agree with as well, is that the category should be used with those Sims who have a clear back story of being such or are in a same-sex relationship. Just because Sims have a very slight preference toward the same gender in SimPE does not make them an LGBT Sim because in most cases it is only a point or two, which isn't really anything. - [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 03:24, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
-:::While this is still in the discussion, I'll put the positive and very visible LGBT Sims into that category for a while. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']]  <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 05:53, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
-==<s>[[Pigeon]]</s>==
-{{Closed|closed|Closing discussion as '''keep''' as there is no consensus to delete this article. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 22:35, April 15, 2015 (UTC)}}
-I don't see the importance of this article at all. Pigeons are just 3 things in the series: a special effect, a [[minor pet]], and means of communication. Except the last one, this article is pretty much insignificant. Why would we have a separate article for a special effect? There are countless of special effects in ''The Sims 3'', e.g. rainbows, hot air balloons, the train in [[Champs Les Sims]], ocean waves, buoys, sailboats, schools of diving area fish, and manta rays. We don't have articles of these things for the same reason. Pigeons are also a minor pet, but there are also many other minor pets, and we certainly don't create separate article of each minor pet.
-The only thing worth noting is as a means of communication in ''The Sims Medieval''. Even then, it lacks information in general, and I think it's better mentioned in [[phone]] instead. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 06:50, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
-:I think the page is detailed enough and has enough references to it throughout the games to make it worth keeping. I oppose deletion. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 06:53, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
-::I personally believe its got enough information and I don't see deletion as being warranted but I'd like to get a bit more input before we go either way. {{WHsig|00:57, November 10, 2014 (UTC)}}
-:::Other than being the equivalent of a phone, is there anything unique about the pigeon in The Sims Medieval? If there is, we could add that to the article instead of deleting it at this time. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 21:10, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
-::::I'm fairly sure you can eat pigeons in The Sims Medieval, I believe its the equivalent of the low cooking level meals like Mac and Cheese in the main series. {{WHsig|02:58, December 3, 2014 (UTC)}}
-==<s>Strangeville</s>==
-{{closed|res|'''Deleted and redirected''' to [[Strangetown]] - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:36, September 29, 2015 (UTC)}}
-I have never seen anyone use Strangeville as a nickname for Strangetown. Secondly, Strangeville is a custom neighborhood in ''The Sims 3 Store'', available [http://www.thesims3.com/assetDetail.html?assetId=7075306 here]. It doesn't appear notable enough to warrant its own article. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 12:25, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
-:It's because of [[Talk:Strangetown#Console_version|this]]. I don't know why all the fuss about a minor thing. Delete it if it bothers you that much. --- <big><font color="royalblue">☣</font></big> [[user:Rodrigo X|'''<font color="black"><span style="text-shadow: royalblue 0 4px 4px;">ʀodrigo</span></font> <font color="royalblue"><span style="text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px;">x</span></font>''']] [[User_talk:Rodrigo X|<sup><font color="black">(talk)</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Rodrigo X|<sub><font color="darkblue">(contribs)</font></sub>]] 12:28, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
-::Yeah, I don't really think it warrants even as a redirect? After all, it only appears as something mentioned at a bio incorrectly. Not many people would normally refer "Strangeville" to Strangetown unless they read the aliens' bio. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:38, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
-:::I disagree. The Strangeville redirect should be kept and a note should be added about the name variant on [[Strangetown]]. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 16:14, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
-::::I don't think keeping it as a redirect does any harm. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:33, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::Where I stand now, I don't think this page warrants a re-direct, let alone it's own page. I don't think the term "Strangeville" is official enough to be kept as a re-direct to Strangetown. I support deletion. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 02:37, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
-'''Deleted''' as per consensus, but '''set as redirect''' to [[Strangetown]] since consensus was lacking on whether or not a redirect is needed. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:36, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>Template:Gamesub</s>==
-{{Closed|res|As consensus is favorable to delete the template, and considering it has never even been used before, the template has been deleted. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 12:36, April 8, 2015 (UTC)}}
-So, I was browsing through the templates section of the wiki, and I came across [[:Template:Gamesub|this]] little template here. It generally creates a Navigational box for walkthrough's, cheats & patches. I noticed that it was tagged under "Unused", so generally, I was going to delete it. But, decided not to and instead came to the conclusion to bring it up for a deletion discussion. According to the history of the page, it was last used 5 years ago. Should we just delete it, or attempt to bring it back? ~ [[User:Beds|<font color="#8A2BE2">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 17:06, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
-:Eh, I think it's pretty dated? And it has never been used before. The question would be if we need a navigation box on cheat / patch / walkthrough pages. I don't think we have any plans for a navigation box on these pages, so I think it's okay to delete it. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 10:24, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
-::Patch and cheats links are already at the bottom of the {{t|game}} template and are included if the pages exist via an #ifexist function (see [[The Sims 2: FreeTime]] and [[The Sims 3]]). Therefore there is no use for it, I support deleting it. {{WHsig|12:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)}}
-== [[:Category:Traits from The Sims 4]] ==
-{{Closed|nr|No consensus to delete category — changes to how we deliver TS4 traits should go in a [[TSW:CD]] thread. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 23:48, October 18, 2015 (UTC)}}
-As we have done with the [[Category_talk:Candidates_for_deletion#Business_Savvy|Business Savvy]] article, the current consensus is to keep traits from ''The Sims 4'' in [[Trait (The Sims 4)]]. Does this mean that this category, along with all the pages in it, should be deleted? Please advise. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 18:45, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
-:<s>{{VoteFor}} '''Support deletion''' of the category and additional trait pages, along with editing other pages to direct to [[Trait (The Sims 4)]], or setting the trait pages as redirects. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 00:00, March 14, 2015 (UTC)</s>
-::I support deletion. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:56, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
-:::I don't know how the trait system works in TS4 as I haven't had the opportunity to play the game but if we're keeping all the traits on the one article instead of giving them all pages I see no need for the category. {{WHsig|12:03, March 16, 2015 (UTC)}}
-::::Do we redirect trait pages to their relevant entry at Trait (The Sims 4)? That would be a lot of redirects to create. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 02:23, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::I think that would be better than simply deleting them. Even if we edit the pages linking to the deleted pages, readers may still try to search for pages on those individual traits. Having redirect pages doesn't cause any harm and it's a relatively painless process to make them. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:03, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
-::::::I no longer support deletion, due to the fact that the category is currently in use and there is no established consensus that traits will not be given their own pages. Until such a consensus is decided, I think the category should remain in place. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:40, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>Sims Air</s>==
-I did a Google Search on this mod and can't seem to find it. If it does exist, it not being easy to find via Google probably means it fails [[The Sims Wiki:Notability Policy|notability]]. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 02:30, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
-:I agree. I was just wondering the same thing myself. -- [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 02:32, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
-::Agreed. Could it be that the author intended to write it up as a fanon article? - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:18, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
-:::I don't think it exists. Even as a fanon it's so poorly written. I have no doubt to delete the page. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 09:12, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
-::::Per above. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 09:19, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::'''Deleted''' - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 14:44, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>Deformed Babies Glitch</s>==
-:''Original discussion moved here by Nikel:''
-Wouldn't this fit better on said article? AFAIK only ''very'' serious/notable glitches ever get a page of their own, like the [[Corrupt file on The Exchange]] or the [[Save game error]]. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 14:30, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
-:I don't think it even warrants a mention in the glitch page. The information is very sparse, unreliable, and conjectural. Where did the original editor get the statistics from? It doesn't even explain what the glitch is about, how it's produced, or why it happens. I suggest it be deleted instead. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 02:08, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
-'''Nominated for deletion instead''' --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 18:09, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
-:I support the deletion, for reasons stated above. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:56, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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-Nominating for deletion per Nikel's comment at <s>Talk:Deformed Babies Glitch</s>. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 18:09, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Support''' - for reasons stated above. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:59, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Support''' - The page is not even worthy of being a stub. —'''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:historyfiction:User:WikiBuilder1147|IH]] • [[w:c:galactic-crucibles:User:WikiBuilder1147|GC]] • [[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 23:53, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
-::Deleted. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 06:11, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>Natural Pools</s>==
-I think it's too early to make an article of it at the moment. We should wait until the game is released or at least until we can get more information about the game. Right now it serves nothing more than a placeholder article, waiting for the game to be released. We can write the overview of what natural pool is about in the [[The Sims 4: Get Together|main EP page]] anyway.
-On top of all, the article title is against our standard. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 06:00, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
-:It's too short to warrant it's own page, we don't even know if it ever will warrant it's own page, and I do feel that it's too early to have an article about it at the moment. So unfortunately, I must '''support''' deletion of this page. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 06:04, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
-::Until we know more about them, I support a '''merge and redirect''' into [[Swimming pool]]. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 13:36, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
-:::'''Agreed'''. In the meantime, I'd much sooner '''support''' that, than keep "Natural Pools" as an actual page. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:46, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
-::::'''Set as a redirect''' to [[Swimming pool]]. When we know more information about natural pools, we can reconsider making it its own article. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:28, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>File:Genie Midlock (NPC).png</s>==
-A duplicate image. [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 09:09, September 23, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>Genie Midlock (NPC)</s>==
-I am aware that it's a little soon to be bringing this up, but I do '''support''' the deletion of this page, for the reasons given for the nomination for deletion: ("Redundant. Largely duplicated in Genie, and adequately covered there.")
-I certainly agree that pretty much everything that isn't already covered in the [[Genie]] article, if any, can certainly be covered there. However, I have always felt that perhaps there should be a section for the Genie's simology details. But if the majority doesn't agree, I certainly have no arguments to oppose their beliefs. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:50, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Support''' -- This page largely covers up information from the genie page. I actually didn't knew that. So it's going to be the right choice to delete it. [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 16:32, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
-::Deleted. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 16:48, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
-:::@[[User:Sims2Player|Sims2Player]]: In the future, it would be helpful if you explained to us why you support the deletion. We make decisions based on consensus, not by voting. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 19:02, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>Recreational Free Street 1</s>==
-This does not exist, and was probably a sandbox edit. [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 16:20, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
-:Deleted. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 16:29, September 26, 2015 (UTC)
-== <s>User blog:Tiezel/Strangetown families (Alternate Universe)</s> ==
-Preferebly [[User blog:Tiezel/Strangetown families (Alternate Universe)|this]] page deleted, I don't use it anymore ^^. [[User:Tiezel|<b><span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="color:#9d2628">Tiezel</span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:Tiezel|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#804e26"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></span>]] 20:39, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
-:{{Done}} --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 20:49, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
-::Just an advice. Since it's your own blog and it doesn't need to be discussed, it's more suitable if you request it for deletion in [[TSW:AN|admin's noticeboard]]. :) [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 13:18, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
-:::Sorry, will do this next time! [[User:Tiezel|<b><span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="color:#9d2628">Tiezel</span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:Tiezel|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#804e26"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></span>]] 13:47, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>The Sims Freeplay Life Dreams and Legacies quest</s>==
-{{Closed|res|Article deleted; its contents have been merged into [[Quest (The Sims FreePlay)]]. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 23:51, October 18, 2015 (UTC)}}
-There is already an article that covers ''all'' quests in ''The Sims FreePlay'' at [[Quest (The Sims FreePlay)#.22Life_Dreams_.26_Legacy.22_quest]]. Content on this page may be better off being merged into that section, rather than as a standalone article. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 16:31, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
-:{{VoteFor}} I didn't saw that when I added the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Cleanup|Cleanup]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> template. So I '''support''' deletion. [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 16:36, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
-::{{VoteFor}} I agree. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 21:14, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
-I dissagree that this should be deleted as I was going to write pages about other quests too, and I think there should be individual pages for individual quests as some players may want info about specific quests. [[User:Morrigan Hemlock|Morrigan Hemlock]] ([[User talk:Morrigan Hemlock|talk]]) 22:12, October 16, 2015 (UTC)Morrigan Hemlock[[User:Morrigan Hemlock|Morrigan Hemlock]] ([[User talk:Morrigan Hemlock|talk]]) 22:12, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
-:Information about specific quests can always be merged into one article; this is done to reduce redundancy. This is also considering that the individual quests themselves may not carry enough content or notability by themselves to get a standalone article. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 22:37, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
-Should I put the information on the "Quests" page then? [[User:Morrigan Hemlock|Morrigan Hemlock]] ([[User talk:Morrigan Hemlock|talk]]) 16:22, October 17, 2015 (UTC)Morrigan Hemlock[[User:Morrigan Hemlock|Morrigan Hemlock]] ([[User talk:Morrigan Hemlock|talk]]) 16:22, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
-:I've merged the information into [[Quest (The Sims FreePlay)]]. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 23:51, October 18, 2015 (UTC)
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 For those reasons, I've decided not to take matters like this into my own hands, and in any case I wasn't going to take this matter into my own hands, because I want to know what others think about this. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 07:21, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>The Urbz 2</s>==
-I cannot find any reliable or official sources confirming this game's existence. This goes against our policy on [[The Sims Wiki:Unreleased Games Policy|unreleased games]], in that all claims to a game must be supported by a citation. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 01:20, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-:I am inclined to agree with deletion as per the Unreleased Games Policy's rules on unconfirmed games. If there is no official confirmation of the game from EA somewhere, then it would be considered a "rumored game". There are specific rules in place that determine how we handle those rumors, one rule being that information about game rumors can't originate from web forums. Even if the game was confirmed (which I have seen no evidence of), the article still lacks any sort of citation to any website confirming anything being claimed. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:29, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-::http://web.archive.org/web/20140520011814/http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=502059 This is where I got the info from. According to the poster, it was from a former Maxis/EA employee but feel free to merge it into the rumored games or delete it entirely if you want. [[User:SodaDog|SodaDog]] ([[User talk:SodaDog|talk]]) 11:22, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-:::The issue is that said source was later taken down by an EA representative. If it was taken down by EA for legal reasons, then we definitely can't have it here on The Sims Wiki. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 11:46, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-::::I don't think legality is an issue here. We can provide information as much as we'd like, so long as we don't infringe on their copyright, trademarks, or other protections. And, the onus is on EA to seek the removal of said information, rather than us to just assume that it isn't allowed here. Regardless, I still favor deletion at this time, as per my previous post. '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 14:29, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::{{Edit conflict}} I '''support''' deletion per the reasons stated above. [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 14:32, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::: I '''support''' deletion. From what's been said and linked, there doesn't seem to be any conformation for the rumor, much less the game. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 15:31, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::::An EA representative removed the post, therefore confirming that it was fake. I '''support''' deletion. ~ [[User:Beds|<font color="purple">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 16:10, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-:::::::: I also '''support''' deletion, for all reasons stated above. [[User:Vpetmad|<span style="color:#538;background:#99c">'''Vpetmad'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vpetmad|<span style="font-size:80%">(talk)</span>]] 16:29, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-Since there appears to be agreement that it should be deleted, that has been done. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 16:44, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-ETA: The reference to "The Urbz 2" in [[The Urbz: Sims in the City]] has also been removed. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 16:51, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>United States</s>==
-My rationale is: '''Isn't directly connected to ''The Sims'' series (like [[Electronic Arts]] or [[Maxis]]); doesn't warrant an article on The Sims Wiki.''' —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 22:58, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Support''' - for those exact reasons. [[User:Vpetmad|<span style="color:#538;background:#99c">'''Vpetmad'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vpetmad|<span style="font-size:80%">(talk)</span>]] 23:04, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
-::'''Support''' - I was actually considering nominating this article for deletion myself :P I don't see the point in keeping it. All the information on the page can easily be covered in another article, or if it's not relevant, it can be removed entirely. I '''support''' the deletion of this page. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 23:04, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
-:::Deleted, for the reasons stated. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 23:08, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
-==<s>[[Aileen Rauvu]]</s>==
-{{closed|resolved|Consensus here is in favor of '''keeping''' the article. '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:23, February 5, 2016 (UTC)}}
-So this article was nominated for deletion by [[User:Sumaes01|Sumaes01]] with the rationale: '''She has only appeared in one trailer, has no renders, and is not a well-known sim in the community.'''
-I unfortunately '''oppose''' deletion, if it were not for the <span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: #008560;">She can be found in the [[gallery]]</span> sentence in the article. If the Sim exists in the gallery, then someone should download it and add the details there. Also, I disagree with the "is not a well-known sim in the community" statement, because there are tons and tons of Sims that the community barely knows that have articles on this wiki. If we were to delete those articles about "Sims nobody cares about" we'd be thousands of articles lighter. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 23:40, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
-:I was neutral towards this initially, but given the reasons K6ka has listed above, I have no other option but to '''oppose''' the deletion as well. While I can understand why a few users wouldn't think that articles like this should be kept, that's not something I can support, because if I were to support the deletion of this article, then I might as well nominate tons of other articles of lesser known Sims for deletion as well. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 23:44, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
-::{{ec}} '''Opposed''': I agree with those same points. Being "not well-known" could mean "not one of the Goths" in some people's view. -- [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 23:46, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
-:::I agree with the points stated above, and therefore '''oppose''' deletion. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 01:27, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-::::I stand '''opposed''' to deletion, in agreement to the points listed above me. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:47, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-:::::I '''support''' the deletion because Aileen Rauvu has only been used for promotional purposes (one video, to be more specific) and there are more major promotional sims from The Sims 4 basegame that still do not have their own articles, yet she does. I think the information about her should be moved to [[List of Sims used in promotional materials]] because the article will stay a stub even if we keep it. There's only so much material that can be added to her article. [[User:Sumaes01|Sumaes01]] ([[User talk:Sumaes01|talk]]) 04:00, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-::::::'''Reply:''' The issue here is that the Sims listed on that page ''don't appear in a game'', whereas Aileen Rauvu is downloadable through the Gallery. Since the gallery version is a Maxis creation, we can treat that version as canon. My vote remains a soft keep. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:08, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-:::::::What Icemandeaf said is something I really have to agree with. There are tons of less known Sims as C.Syde65 also stated. They don't need to be deleted as well so this page should be kept on The Sims Wiki. So I '''oppose''' deletion. [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 07:52, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-::::::::'''Oppose''': If we were to delete this article, then we would have to delete multiple other Sim articles. She can be played in-game, so therefore should remain on the wiki. ~ [[User:Beds|<font color="purple">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 13:53, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-:::::::::'''Oppose''': She has no less to say about her than any other minor Sim, so I think we should keep the page. [[User:Vpetmad|<span style="color:#538;background:#99c">'''Vpetmad'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vpetmad|<span style="font-size:80%">(talk)</span>]] 15:30, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
-We have consensus here in favor of '''keeping''' the article. Therefore, I am marking this discussion closed. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:23, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
 ==[[Template:User democrat]]==
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 :The old warning can be wrapped in <nowiki><noinclude></noinclude></nowiki> tags to prevent anything meaningful from being transcluded or substituted. We've kept our [[Template:OldWarning|old-old warning template]] for historical purposes and it has never been used, likely due to the fact that it has been moved to another name. Perhaps we can do that here as well. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 14:41, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
 :FWIW we also can't delete {{t|Warning-text}}, because the way our old warning template was designed, this template is ''transcluded'' onto people's talk pages. Deleting it would break hundreds of transclusions. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 14:14, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
-==[[Game guide:Being a witch]]==
-I believe this needs to be deleted or substantially re-written. Since ''[[The Sims: Makin' Magic]]'' does not use the term "witch", any statements about what a "witch" is like or how to "be a witch" in ''Makin' Magic'' are editorial comments by the guide's creator. So, when the guide defines "a witch" as a Sim who has learned all spells and charms, that is one player's interpretation, not anything that comes from the game itself. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 14:07, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
-:'''Support rewrite''' (and possibly a page move to "Game guide:Practicing magic") and have it encompass [[magic]] from all games in the series, which would include not just ''Makin' Magic'' but ''[[The Sims 2: Apartment Life]]'' as well (and maybe ''[[The Sims 3: Supernatural]]'', although I do not own TS3). This game guide isn't wholly inappropriate or incorrect, and there's quite a bit that can be salvaged. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 14:43, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
-::That would work. I don't own TS3, either, and it's been a long time since I've played TS1, though I think I still remember a fair bit. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 15:14, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
-:::There are multiple accurate resources online that could help with the rewrite. Perhaps SimsVIP? Carl's Sim Guides? I '''support''' the rewrite, nevertheless. ~ [[User:Beds|<font color="purple">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 22:58, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
-::::I support a '''keep and rewrite'''. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:58, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
-:::::Considering all this, I changed the template from {{T|Delete}} to {{T|Cleanup}}. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 12:58, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
-::::::Done, as far as ''Makin' Magic'' is concerned. I had to do a lot of memory refreshing, as it's been a while since I've played TS1. Page is moved to [[Game guide:Practicing magic]], with no redirect. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 17:54, February 26, 2017 (UTC)
 ==[[Straud Mansion]]==
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 ::I support deletion. All the information can be found on the [[List of Forgotten Hollow lots]]. [[User:Gvaudoin|Gvaudoin]] ([[User talk:Gvaudoin|talk]]) 15:20, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
 :::Another idea: The page could be redirected to "[[List_of_Forgotten_Hollow_lots#Straud_Mansion]]". [[User:Gvaudoin|Gvaudoin]] ([[User talk:Gvaudoin|talk]]) 14:56, March 12, 2018 (UTC)
-==<s>Fanon:OldPeople</s>==
-Hello,
-Im purposing deletion on this fanon page Fanon:OldPeople. It is an abandoned fanon and the author make no improvement/edit since August,23 2016‎.
-[[User:Wiryawan310|Wiryawan310]] ([[User talk:Wiryawan310|talk]]) 09:09, March 26, 2017 (UTC)
-:{{Edit conflict}} I've gone ahead and '''deleted''' the fanon page on the spot due to the fanon page only having two short sentences explaining how the author was looking forward to creating fanon.
-:Normally I would have waited until a year had passed since the user's last edit to the page, but considering the lack of content on the page, and considering that the author hasn't edited the page in over seven months, I couldn't see any reasons why it couldn't have been deleted already. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 09:18, March 26, 2017 (UTC)
-==<s>Category:Sims in only one game</s>==
-I'm proposing that this category be deleted since I feel that it is too generic to warrant own category. We have thousands of Sims that only appear in one game, more Sims than not. So I don't feel that such a category is necessary. However I feel that other opinions are valid hence why I nominated the category for deletion and brought the proposal here, rather than deleting the category on the spot and removing the articles from the category. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 11:16, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
-:'''Delete''' I don't see the value in having this category. There are gazillions of Sims that only appear in one game, and fully populating this category will either require some complex template changes to {{t|Sim}}, or thousands of useless edits. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 14:07, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
-::It's been almost a week now and no one has objected to deleting the category, so I guess it won't be a problem to '''delete''' the category now. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 06:48, May 7, 2017 (UTC)
 ==[[List of Moodlets (The Sims 4)]]==
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 I have found two templates that have a list of traits from ''The Sims 4'', and these templates are not completed, and seems to abandoned. Then I found [[Template:Sims4Traits]]. This template seems to be completed and ready for action, so those two templates that I have listed for deletion should be deleted as Template:Sims4Traits is much better and completed. [[User:SimDestroyer|SimDestroyer]] ([[User talk:SimDestroyer|talk]]) 15:37, June 28, 2017 (UTC)
-==<s>Xbox Sims facts</s>==
-{{Closed|res|2=Deleted because this article is clearly low quality, has no place on the wiki, and I'm tired of just watching this thread collect dust. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:13, April 6, 2018 (UTC)}}
-Until we get a proper speedy deletion process (see [[Forum:Reforming the deletion process]] for development on that), I'm going to go the slow(er) route of deleting this page. [[Xbox Sims facts]] was created by someone who claims to have created one of the "sims packs" on The Sims 2 for Xbox (Which is an unverifiable claim). It contains three "facts" that can either be merged into existing articles or can go into a game guide page; however, there isn't enough information here to warrant its own game guide article either. On top of that, there are two videos transcluded onto the page that have no relevance to the page whatsoever. It may qualify for speedy deletion, but we don't have a solid speedy deletion policy yet, so I'm proposing it for deletion here. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 16:11, June 28, 2017 (UTC)
-:I vote to delete this page. [[User:AireDaleDogz|<span style="color:#4B0082">✨AireDaleDogz✨</span>]] ([[User talk:AireDaleDogz|<span style="color:#800080">talk</span>]]) 10:40, February 15, 2018 (UTC)
-::<small>[[User:AireDaleDogz|AireDaleDogz]], this is a discussion, not a vote; your comments must include some reasoning as to why you made your decision. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 11:37, February 15, 2018 (UTC)</small>
-==<s>Jenifer Hodge</s>==
-{{Closed|res|2=Page deleted. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:12, April 6, 2018 (UTC)}}
-So, I have noticed a page that has been marked for deletion since May 2017 and decided to brought it up here. ''The Sims 4: Vampires'' only came with three pre-made Sims, and Jenifer Hodge is not one of them. This Sim is most likely a random game generated Sim, and that the page's creator most likely thought she is a Maxis created Sim. Oh, and there is no baristas or cafes in ''The Sims 4: Vampires'', they are only found in ''The Sims 4: Get Together''. [[User:SimDestroyer|SimDestroyer]] ([[User talk:SimDestroyer|talk]]) 13:46, August 20, 2017 (UTC)
-:I agree, she's most likely generated. Especially because she's described as unplayable. Pre-made Sims in ''The Sims 4'' are almost always playable families living in one of the neighborhood's houses. - [[User:Karu Katerchen| <span style="color:#910b0b; font-variant:small-caps; text-shadow: Silver 0 4px 4px;"> '''KaruKaterchen'''</span>]][[User_talk:Karu Katerchen|<span style="color:#910b0b; text-shadow: Silver 0 4px 4px; font-size:11px">''(talk''</span>]][[:Category:Fanon created and owned by Karu Katerchen|<span style="color:#910b0b; text-shadow: Silver 0 4px 4px; font-size:11px">''/fanon)''</span>]] 05:22, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
-:Seconded. There's no Jenifer Hodge in my game. [[User:AireDaleDogz|<span style="color:#4B0082">✨AireDaleDogz✨</span>]] ([[User talk:AireDaleDogz|<span style="color:#800080">talk</span>]]) 17:58, January 11, 2018 (UTC)
-:I agree that this Sim doesn't appear in the game or the gallery and was likely randomly generated and the article should therefore be deleted. [[User:Gvaudoin|Gvaudoin]] ([[User talk:Gvaudoin|talk]]) 15:02, March 12, 2018 (UTC)
-==<s>Funeral Mod</s>==
-This mod is simply not notable. It hasn't been released yet, and The Sims Wiki generally does not cover mods unless they are widely known, such as the [[InSimenator]] and the [[FFS Lot Debugger]]. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 22:35, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
-:I agree with the reasons given. Not notable enough. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 23:48, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
-::I agree with the reasons given as well. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 04:26, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
-:::I have notified the article's original author about the article's pending deletion. I'd request that we wait a few days to allow them to respond before we take any action. That notwithstanding, I would currently support deletion of the article as well since it doesn't seem notable enough to warrant inclusion. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 18:41, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
-::::The article has been determined not to meet [[TSW:NP|notability criteria]] and has been deleted. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 15:50, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 ==[[Recreational park]] and <s>[[Mermaids]]</s>==
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 ::I'd just be restating what SimDestroyer said, though. It's a low-quality copy of the [[Park]] article. Is everyone supposed to come up with different reasons? [[User:AireDaleDogz|<span style="color:#4B0082">✨AireDaleDogz✨</span>]] ([[User talk:AireDaleDogz|<span style="color:#800080">talk</span>]]) 11:56, February 15, 2018 (UTC)
-== Sims with white hair ==
-{{Closed|closed|2=It is not clear what page is currently being nominated for deletion. The creator of this thread has been indefinitely blocked anyways. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 14:43, May 19, 2018 (UTC)}}
-I think it would be useful if a sims game had white hair genetics in the basegame as a preset and had enough sims with that hair color. The Sims 3 does'nt count because it's just [[Boyd Wainwright]] there, and The Sims 4 also uses the white\grey hair preset on the elderly sims and on [[Vladislaus Straud|Count Vladislaus Straud]] who is an young adult and a vampire, but basically nobody else. We can still keep it though. We have black, brown, blond, black, white, and custom, but the white hair category is for the sims that are suppose to be greying, if there were like 2 or 3 pages of sims with custom white hair that is'nt suppose to be greying, we could have it as a category. LL and OL and MH have enough white haired people between each other. [[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 20:47, September 28, 2017 (UTC)
-==<s>The Zoo</s>==
-{{Closed|res|2=Deleted. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:19, April 6, 2018 (UTC)}}
-I can't find any reference to this place anywhere on the wiki, nor could I find it in a Google search. Looking at the previous edits to this page, the author seems to have included a mix of both canon and fanon Sims (that they had created); see [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/The_Zoo?oldid=789513]. As it stands now at this time of writing, the page is empty except for an unhelpful lede section. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 03:14, November 15, 2017 (UTC)
-:I would guess that this is a fanon lot, but since the article also doesn't meet minimum quality requirements for fanon, I'd support just deleting it outright. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 16:34, November 15, 2017 (UTC)
-::I see no reason to keep it. So I '''support''' deleting it outright also. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 12:26, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
-:::I support deletion. I can't seem to find any information about a supposed zoo on The Sims console. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 06:38, February 15, 2018 (UTC)
-::::There is a zoo in [[The Sims 2 (GBA)]]. (see here: [https://tcrf.net/The_Sims_2_(Game_Boy_Advance)#Strangetown_Zoo Strangetown Zoo]) However, I'm still in favour of deletion since there isn't enough information on that page to warrant an article. [[User:Gvaudoin|Gvaudoin]] ([[User talk:Gvaudoin|talk]]) 15:05, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
-==<s>File:12r38002_332762290200885_1153081160_n.png</s> and <s>File:Lukes Kenny Fans 6567.JPG</s>==
-{{Closed|res|2=Both files deleted. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:17, April 6, 2018 (UTC)}}
-These are two unused images of real people that have nothing to do with the Sims or this Wiki. [[User:Gvaudoin|Gvaudoin]] ([[User talk:Gvaudoin|talk]]) 15:30, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
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 ==Various Get to Work Sims==
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 :I guess I don't understand. Is the attic in TS4 significantly different from the attics you could create in TS2 or TS3? In those games, you can place objects underneath a roof, provided there's enough vertical clearance. If this is the case, I'd most likely lean towards keeping the article but re-writing it to not be TS4-specific. If this is something unique to TS4, I'd need to know more about it before I'd be able to for sure support keeping or deleting. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:49, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
 ::No. Attics in The Sims 4 aren't that unique compared to normal rooms. The player just places objects underneath a roof. In fact, they're more restricted than normal rooms. - [[User:SimDestroyer|SimDestroyer]] ([[User talk:SimDestroyer|talk]]) 04:50, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-==<s>Template:Sim maker</s>==
-{{Closed|res|2=Page deleted, mostly to stop people from using the template, which for some reason they're using instead of the more fleshed out {{tl|Sim}}. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]])}}
-For whatever absurd reason Wikia won't allow me to edit the wikitext of that page, only insisting on using their "Infobox Builder" which is so simplistic it makes me want to barf. Basically this is a piss-poor and useless recreation of our {{tl|Sim}} template. We have a better alternative on the way: it's called {{tl|Infobox Sim}}, and they look better than whatever this new Infobox Builder can hope to ever offer to us. // Rants aside, this template serves no useful purpose and seems to have been created either 1) Out of mistake; or 2) Because someone couldn't figure out how to use {{tl|Sim}} properly for their fanon. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 22:02, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
-:I can see where the confusion here is. There is a button on the bottom right corner that allows you to return to the source editor. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 03:02, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-::I '''support''' deletion. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 11:39, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-:::[[User:Auror Andrachome|Auror Andrachome]], I can find no such button. Screenshots? —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 13:20, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-::::Oddly, the source editor button is '''invisible''' now, but thankfully still accessible. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 15:44, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-:::::Screenshot 1 of source editor button: [[:File:New_Wiki_Editing_form.png]]
-:::::Screenshot 2 of original wikitext: [[:File:Old_Source_Editor_for_The_Sims_Wiki.png]]
-::::::Interestingly, that option does not appear for me. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 16:33, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-:::::::It appears for me. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 22:25, April 30, 2018 (UTC)
-::::::::I found it and can click it. Nevertheless, I '''support''' deletion. --[[User:Frostwalker|'''<font face="Verdana"><span style="color:RoyalBlue; text-shadow:SlateBlue 0 4px 4px;">Frostwalker</span></font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Frostwalker|<font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:DarkOrange; text-shadow:Orange 0 4px 4px;">Talk</span></font>]] - [[User blog:Frostwalker|<font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:Crimson; text-shadow:Red 0 4px 4px;">Read</span></font>]]</sup> 06:31, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
-:::::::::I '''approve of this template's deletion'''. This template is a useless redo of what we have now. [[File:Isaiahhsnobg.png|20px]][[User:IsaiahScribblenauts|<span style="color:navy;">IsaiahScribblenauts</span>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|10px]][http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:IsaiahScribblenauts Disscuss] - [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fanon_created_and_owned_by_IsaiahScribblenauts My Fanon] 13:16, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
-:I also highly '''support the deletion''' of this template. It is useless, ugly and not needed anywhere. The template should also be deleted, as it has already been used on canon pages and deleting it now would prevent someone from using this in future pages, or already existing ones. - [[User:SimDestroyer|SimDestroyer]] ([[User talk:SimDestroyer|talk]]) 13:59, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
 ==[[Bus]]==