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Sims2fan1998
I'm sure this user means well, but I would recommend that another user would check in-game to check whether the information he contributed is correct. Me, Nikel23 and probably a couple of other editors have undone many of his edits, but he keeps adding them back. I will be able to confirm whether or not his contributions are correct, however I probably won't be able to check until next week. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 02:34, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I have left a note on their talk page regarding the edit warring. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 02:38, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I just want to add that I didn't exactly mean to contribute edit warring on social class townies. C.Syde started undoing the edits, but he missed some, so I followed. To resolve this issue, I suggest that we should start discussing with him because at the moment we do not know which statement is correct. Sims2fan1998 could be persistent if we continue edit warring without clear explanation, hence my advice to discuss.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:01, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree to that. Personally I think someone should check inside the game just to see if Simfan1998's statement is correct. The main reason I undid them is because there was no clear evidence that the information was correct.


 * I could check inside the game myself, but I'll probably have to wait for a few more days first. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 03:38, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * This user has not responded to (or acknowledged that they have received) my edit warring notice and has just made another revert . I have left another message on their talk page. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 21:10, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * This user also did this revert earlier today . I haven't done anything because I am not sure what to do. It seems that this user either doesn't know how to use a talk page or is choosing to ignore them. It seems that any attempt to resolve without edit warring hasn't been successful. I am almost to the point of thinking that blocking might be the only thing that will get this user's attention. (Hopefully!) -- Icemandeaf (talk) 21:29, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * The user has already been blocked in the past for sockpuppetry - . --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 21:34, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * That why I said hopefully. It could just be that this user just doesn't realize the disruption that is being caused, or it could be that it is intentional. -- Icemandeaf (talk) 21:39, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * If nothing else has gotten the user's attention, I'm sure a block will. That is if they continue to "edit war". --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 05:56, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

It takes two users to start an edit way. Fyi. I also don't see why you are reverting his edits. A simple check with SimPE shows that they are good faith. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 07:37, September 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * In this case, it doesn't require SimPE to check whether most of his edits are correct, it requires the game and Apartment Life. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 08:30, September 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * BTW Auror, didn't you mean "Edit war"? :p --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 11:13, September 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * And "that's why" Icemandeaf? :P --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 11:15, September 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Because this user has already been blocked for sockpuppetry. I don't see anything that says that the block got the user's attention. One could argue that the user hasn't make a sockpuppet again, but it could have just been a onetime thing as well. -- Icemandeaf (talk) 16:10, September 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Uh, actually my point was that you said "That why" instead of "That's why" :P --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 21:57, September 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Touché. One of the few times that my ASL slips into my English. I must have been very tired or in a hurry when I wrote that. Ha!. -- Icemandeaf (talk) 22:01, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Well, okay. I really hope we can resolve this matter in a much less complicated manner. I have some things to say.
 * 1) Sims2fan1998 is known to have engaged in an edit warring with me previously. He might not be accustomed to the wiki yet, which might explain his behavior of edit warring to prove his point.
 * 2) He was warned not to engage in further edit warring, but I believe a better way to resolve this is to tell him to start a discussion regarding the matter, like what LiR did when he had an edit war with me. He hardly responds his messages, but with the second option, it can show whether he ignores resolutions (not warning) and remains persistent.
 * 3) What actually started this edit warring? From what I understand, C.Syde began undoing his edits because he was uncertain of the validity of the statements. That's not a good reason to undo someone's revision. If you are uncertain, you need to check it, discuss about it, or find the proof, but not undo it completely. Bookmark it if necessary should you need to check it later.
 * 4) I actually checked in game, and he didn't make false statement. These social class townies do work in Culinary if you just summon them or check them with SimPE, but their careers will be randomized when they become a neighbor or roommate.

This is my input, and I'm trying to say Sims2fan1998 didn't give incorrect information.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:12, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Assume good faith as always, but with regards to what Nikel said about bookmarking, you can use Special:Following or Special:Watchlist too. If you add a page to your watchlist, the watchlist will automatically list any recent edits made to that page. It's a widely used feature on Wikipedia, but Wikia really messed it up with Special:Following. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 19:22, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, well I wasn't sure if it was a false statement. I just wanted a trustworthy editor to check to see if they could confirm whether the statement was true. I'm not saying that I didn't exactly believe Sims2fan1998, and I was assuming good faith. I just needed evidence that he was right all along. So problem solved, I guess. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 22:28, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Fine until someone makes a third revert. Is that still a concern? --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 22:40, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * @C.Syde65: I feel like you're not understanding the concept of Assume Good Faith. Part of the principle of AGF is that you assume that facts given by a user acting in good faith are correct unless there is a sufficient reason to believe otherwise. The issue in this case has been that Sims2fan hasn't given a proper source for their information, so it's difficult if not impossible in some cases to prove that a given fact they state is indeed true. But this wiki has always been very laissez-faire about enforcing source citation (except as it apples to the UGP), so an action taken against a user posting information without a source can have the appearance of not assuming good faith. When you say something like you "wanted a trustworthy editor to check," it indicates that another editor is not trustworthy, which itself runs contrary to the principle of AGF. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 22:42, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. I understand the primary concept of Assume Good Faith, but I might have failed to assume it this time. I just didn't want to take the risk of walking away and leaving unsourced information that was possibly incorrect on a page. Also the fact that the user responded through edit warring was just not a good look. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 22:50, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ignorantia juris non excusat (Latin for: "ignorance of the law does not excuse") is a sure-fire newbie-biter. Newbie-biting is a failure to assume good faith. A notification on their talk page usually draws their attention to the fact that edit warring is not permissible, rather than a block out of the blue. Warn first, then sanctions follow. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 22:56, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand what you're saying C.syde, and to an extent I agree, at least as far as it concerns leaving incorrect information up on the wiki. Some of the fault in this situation might rest in the fact that we don't more stringently require sources on material added to the wiki. But, since the source is the game itself, it's difficult to provide a good citation. This might be a matter worthy of additional discussion elsewhere. In any case, however, there is a difference between questioning the validity of a statement and questioning the validity because of the person who made the statement. -  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 22:59, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * @K6ka, the problem is, we did leave them a warning about it. I would say, in this case, that this user isn't acting in bad faith but just isn't comfortable yet with our policies or how we conduct ourselves. Additionally, reverting his/her edits seems to make him/her defensive, as if they're being attacked. That's just my read the of the situation, I might be completely wrong about it. The question is how lenient we're willing to be for a new user, and how we make sure a new user becomes familiar with our rules. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 23:02, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, now that another user has confirmed that was he's saying is true, I can safely believe the information Sims2fan1998 provided. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 23:06, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

File:Donte Shaw.png
Could someone please delete the first picture shown in the file history of this picture, and keep the current version? The current one is the picture shown in the game files, and matches the images of most the other Bluewater Village townies. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:38, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why? If the file is updated, why delete the file's history? --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 06:49, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure, except that the first picture shows up on his page, even though it's actually meant to be the second one. I guess some servers haven't caught up. If the current picture can be shown, I guess the first one won't need to be removed. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 07:04, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks proper in my browser. Perhaps you need to clear your browser's cache so the image will be refreshed.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  11:12, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've had this issue on other wikis, and deleting the old version does not help. The image is cached on other servers, and purging doesn't always work. You need to wait for the cache to be cleared, which usually takes about 24 hours. Sometimes though, if you're using Chrome.... well, Chrome is terrible when it comes to the cache. There are lots of bits in the cache that you can't clear and Chrome won't let you clear, so sometimes images appear to show the old version indefinitely even when everyone else sees the new version. I discovered this while developing Game guide:How to delete a Sim correctly in my user sandbox, and Chrome kept showing me this outdated image. I deleted the old version but it kept showing up in my browser for weeks. Then I tried loading the page on Firefox on the same computer. Bam! New version. Tried again in Chrome. Old version. Kinda annoying. A lot of complaints regarding Chrome's bad caching system were sent to Google, but the Chrome Development Team never fixed it. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 12:22, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've just gone back and checked, and apparently it has been refreshed. It took much longer to refresh than normal, but it has been refreshed, so problem solved. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 03:38, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

MontyandCappfamilles and TheSmustleDance
Just so you know, I happened to run into a fanon Celeste Capp written by MontyandCappfamilles. The subject of the fanon seems to have a connection to "Fanon:Christina Capp" which belonged to an indefinetely blocked user TheSmustleDance.

The reason I suspect this is largely due to the fact that the fanon Sim "Celeste Capp" is the sister of "Christina Capp". It says so in the article.

--  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:41, September 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Looking at the deleted revisions, "Christina Capp" does not mention "Celeste Capp" at all. They are both female teen Sims living in Veronaville. They have the same parents and same hair, eye, and skin color. They are both fit. The "Christina Capp" fanon has no text written; "Celeste Capp" does. Looking at their userpage, they seem to have omitted a lot of their giveaway userboxes, but they kept the "owns Sims games" ones. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 10:52, September 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay. Well I wasn't able to view the "Christina Capp" fanon because it was already deleted. If the "Celeste Capp" fanon did not mention "Christina Capp", I would not have suspected that these users might be the same.


 * I still suspect that these users "might" be the same person, though one would have to do a check user to be certain. :|


 * P.S. What I meant to say was that it said so in the article "Celeste Capp". --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 11:01, September 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * My suspicions have increased. This user has left two messages on my Ella Capulet fanon page, implying that they could take a liking to this fanon Sim of mine.


 * TheSmustleDance declared themselves to be a fan of "Ella Capulet" on their userpage before they were blocked. And both users share an interest in Pleasantview and Veronaville. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 00:29, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Transferring discussion to Admin Portal talk page -  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 00:50, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Deleting a comment from my fanon page
There's this user who posted two comments on my fanon page. Both messages are almost the same, the latter of which was clearly intended to be a rewrite of the former. Given that the first comment is now redundant, could you please delete it for me? --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 04:34, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

MontyandCappfamilles and TheSmustleDance Again
According to this link that MACF posted on her talk page, she has a cousin under the name BeccaBonbonLover. Now according to this link that Nikel23 posted in his sandbox, this user also has a connection to BeccaBonbonLover. So I'm 99.9 per cent sure that MACF and TSD are the same user.

Feel free to close this thread, as I am sure it contains very sensitive stuff.

P.S. I added that link back on her talk page for exposure's sake. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 05:28, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

208.157.161.11
This user has been warned to improve their behaviour, continues to make bad faith edits / edit war on this page, and does not make positive contributions. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 05:57, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Blocked. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 06:05, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Fanon Battles
It really would be nice if an admin or two could weigh in on this question I asked on this page. This question was asked nearly two months ago, but no one has noticed and / or responded to it. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 00:59, October 1, 2014 (UTC)