The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 5

Discuss issues in the proper heading, please. Makiah 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Voting Delete or Keep or Move
Delete {CAS sim pages would fill up this wikia with pointless information.) Makiah 17:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Move? I don't mind if they're kept here or not, but rather than simply deleting them, if the pages contain useful information, we could make a spin-off wiki for CAS Sims. Angela (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather than making separate pages we could have 'one page' for CAS sims for all different users and delete the [rest, since most CAS sim pages are very short and contain one line (from what I have read). I know there is a page where people can talk about their CAS families. Makiah 05:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

] Hmmm...actually I, too, prefer the idea of making a CAS sub-wiki or separate category. The game is just as much about customization as the stories/characters/info that ship with it. I do like that idea. I just don't think such Sims should be included in the actual game info, such as being listed in Pleasantview; this could confuse those not as familiar with the game as all of us are - people just wanting general information on The Sims 2 as it ships. I'm all for making a separate area for CAS info rather than simply deleting it - either way, though, I think they need to be moved or removed from where they are now. skatoolaki 13:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If we were to make a spin off wiki for CAS sims and families, I believe that someone else would have to step up to the plate. I just recently (Like 1-2 days ago) took the job of admin on this wiki and I don't think I'm personally ready to start another wiki just for CAS sims.


 * I also think it's hard for me (and anyone else who is not the beginner of the page) to expand CAS pages when they are not my sims. Thus we are left with blank pages or pages with one or two lines describing a sim, which seem a waste of space. I also don't think the categories thing will work because people tend to not always categorize everything the way it should be categorized.


 * Maybe instead of many different pages we could use the CAS page to describe what a CAS sim is and the talk page could be where people talk about their characters. We could merge all CAS pages together in the talk. Where older pages come in we could take the original owner's name or ip and say "SoandSo says..." then what they posted in a page(s). I don't think many people have posted their CAS sims but I think the few who have, created many pages for different characters of their families. Then we could make an announcement of the new page to post CAS sim information and archive the older pages when they get full.


 * I think this is a better idea than deleting them. That way members are still heard but it is differenciated between base game and CAS sims. The same thing could also be done with objects. Though I think we should cross that road when we get to it. ~ Makiah 16:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It certainly would be more work - and likely confusion - for all involved. I see your point, Makiah (and gratz on the Admin position).  The idea of a Create-A-Sim page detailing what they are all about and the 'Talk' feature allowing people to describe, talk about, and share their custom made Sims sounds like a fair and efficient idea to me.  That way we could take the CAS Sim pages already made on the Wiki and paste them into the 'Talk' section of that page.  I'm all for that. skatoolaki 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! ^_^
 * I want to get this done as soon as possible so it's off the plate. So we will start the voting procedures again and disregard the old vote. Voting ends when there are 10 votes or after 2 weeks, which ever comes first (unless there is a tie, cross the road when we get there). If there is another option voting will restart again that way we include it. ~ Makiah 17:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick idea, what does everyone think about moving the Player stories to the talk pages of those particular characters? Not a big issue, but I think it would add neatness and allow people to sign their post. ~ Makiah 20:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm all about neatness! Whatever we can do keep the wiki clean, efficient, and informational, I'm all for it.  (BTW, and hate to ask here so you can delete this afterwards, how does one go about applying to be an officer/admin-type? Thx).
 * Well, I'm sure Angela could give you a better explanation if mine doesn't cover any of your questions but if you want to create a sub wiki, you are the admin of it. However, if you want to be like me and take over a wiki they first determine if the admin of the wiki has been active. If they haven't edited in the past two months they are not active and you can then apply to an admin, like Angela to Adopt a Wiki. ~ Makiah 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright well the votes going to be officially closed. To be honest I didn't think we would get 10 people. But I guess since I opened it to unregistered users it upéd the vote. Alright so just in case someone else votes after this. Voting results were: 1 Delete, 2 Keep, 1 new wiki, 6 talk page, 0 other. I'll start moving the CAS sim pages to the talk page and deleting them afterwards. If anyone helps and they transfer the data from the actual page to the CAS talk page. Please report the page so I know to delete it with a simple message letting me know. I'll start most of the work tomorrow though. ~ Makiah 04:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that they be moved to the user's page or user subpages. A category could be made to keep track of them. -Lөvөl 17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that would have been a great idea however because we already voted I think it's hard to re-vote. I would be willing to consider creating a new vote if there were enough people behind it. To be honest I'm happy with the solution we came up with. Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

What should we do with CAS pages? Delete them --They could potentially fill up this wiki with pointless information. Keep them --They are part of the game after all, Sims was based on the fact that players can costumize their games. Create a new wiki for the sole purpose of CAS sims. Use the CAS sim page and talk page to host CAS sims from other players. Other --Explain in a post.

New Main Page
It was suggested by someone that we format our main page differently (On the main page discussion). I just wanted to check with everyone about what they think. Do they like the 1 column page? Or would they prefer the 2 column page? More color? I think it's fine but I wanted to check. ~ Makiah 19:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * More thought into this I would like to bring up a few suggestions but would like some input. I was thinking about a two column format and also use of the Bulletin Board which I saw on The Sims Wiki. Also I was thinking of improving the 'In the News Section'. I like the header but the Sims Universe under it I think maybe should be smaller horizontal wise or at the bottom. Inputs? Makiah 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking about drawing up a test main page, I'll post it up on March 12th but I could still use some input. And anyone who would like to draw up a main page of their own that would be great. We could have a vote between them! Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright guys to see the potential main page go to the Sandbox. I'm thinking about making use of a bulletin board that was on the original main page. Suggestions would be great. Also if anyone else wants to make a new one and place it on a temporary page I would be fine with that but please serious main pages only and no new templates. Makiah 23:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The page in Sandbox looks good; personally, I can't design stuff so beyond that it looks better than the current main page, I can't really add anything. Much wootness, though, to be sure :) --Narc (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was afraid that the colors would be too strange or something. I also wasn't sure if other people would like it. ~ Makiah 19:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Voting Procedure
I was thinking about making an official voting procedure limiting people who can vote. I don't think I liked how the CAS Sims vote was ran. Here are my proposals:


 * To have Voting Requirements:
 * Must be a Member (Anonymous or IP Votes will not be counted)
 * Must have atleast 1 edit in the sims wiki
 * Votes must be signed correctly with ~
 * Banned user's votes will not be counted.


 * To have a voting format to make achived voting topics more comprehensible. Something like


 * ==Voting Topic==


 * Small Description


 * ===Agree===


 * # Vote


 * *Comment


 * **Another Comment


 * ===Neutral===


 * ===Disagree===


 * ==Comments==

These ideas were mainly based on StarWars Fanon's archived vote, as well as their voting restrictions.

I know this is a small community also so I think I would like to limit voting time periods but do not know what that time period should be. Comments? Makiah 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, my idea is that the time limit for voting will be 2 weeks, however if anyone would like to put in their input that would be great. On March 12th if no one has any input I think we will adopt the above as our voting format and voting rules. That way we will be able to use that to vote on the Policy and Main Page. Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks very decent to me. I was wondering if we could have each vote have its own page, linked from a main "Current and Archived Votes" page; that way we can watch the current votes page for changes while not cluttering it up with old votes. Just a thought. --Narc (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinkings about that but I still have to look into how to do it. Like archived talk pages. I figure this would be the best place to hold the discussions then we could move it to another page and lock it indefinately as archived in an archived category that way it's viewable and people could read it but not change it. Then on the Article part of this page list the past discussions and their result with links to the archive. If it's the way I think it would be then a sample discussion/vote archive for example would be like Discussions/Main Page then in the article part would have a copy of the discussions then under that the votes. The article part would be locked and the Discussion part would be for any comments on those discussions. This page would be a central locations for all discussions and voting. Sound good? ~ Makiah 19:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Sims Policy
I believe we should have a policy, currently there is none but I believe it should address a few topics which may seem obvious but if it is written out it is more enforceable. Somethings I believe it should contain:
 * A clause about vandalism not being allowed.
 * Mention about inappropriate words such as cuss words.
 * Something concerning new pages. Such as if there is a topic already on that page just with different capitals, should be deleted. Misspelled pages should be either deleted or moved depending on the circumstances.
 * Also with new pages, I suggest that empty pages created after a policy is put in effect be deleted. Example: SimCity 3000 has never had anything on it but can't be deleted per policy because it doesn't have anything on it. But if an empty page were to be created say titled Mirrors but has nothing on it, even though it is relevant to Sims it should be deleted. Maybe something saying you need at least 3 facts in complete sentences to start a page. That way there is something to build off of. Some sort of content.
 * I'm thinking that we really don't want empty pages at all. I've seen pages like "There's no content here yet 'cause I'm concentrating on categorizing" -- we don't really want that to remain. If the page has no content, it should show up in Special:Wantedpages -- which it won't if it has nothing but that sentence on it. --Narc (talk) 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that page too. But I feel rather than deleting old empty pages we should work to improve them unless they show no potential. ~ Makiah 19:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Just some starting suggestions. Anyone else have any ideas or comments? Makiah 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If no one has any input by March 12th I will draw up the policy and post it so everyone can see using my ideas. It would be great to have some discussion to include the community! Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, everything you've mentioned so far sounds brilliant to me; please do write it up -- it sounds good. I do have one addition, though: I haven't looked around the Templates and such yet, but I know we have a template. I don't know if we have something like "cleanup required" yet, but we need it, too: several pages I've seen look like they have a bit of info but it's poorly formatted or even unformatted. Again, I haven't had a chance to look at the Templates yet, but if we don't have it yet, we need it. --Narc (talk) 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is interesting -- 69.254.46.13 used the template (Template:blank) on the page Biotech station earlier today, and it seems a decent way to get lists of blank, but "very" wanted pages. Personally, I'm thinking we might consider using that at first, and then deleting pages after a while if they're not filled in. Though, also personally, I'd prefer such pages were never created in the first place. --Narc (talk) 12:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That was me! ^_^ I found it yesterday while looking for useless images, when I had to delete a horse picture someone uploaded. I believe I have seen a clean up template somewhere but can't located it right now. I'm sure a little bit more searching and I will find it. ~ Makiah 17:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)